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fallacycop
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Message 75 of 305 (394822)
04-13-2007 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Rob
04-13-2007 10:57 AM


Re: Remedial reading?
Dr.A.:
Artificial: created by intelligent processes.
How else should I interpret this definition?
If that which is 'artificial' (forgery) is created by intelligence, then that which is real (not artificial) must arrive from unintelligent processes.
So, this definition is actually defining intelligence as phony.
In order to explain an aparently incoherent statement, you are giving us an even more incromprehensible one.
Lets break it by parts
1. Since when artificial means forgery (phony)?
2. Since when is real the oposite of artificial?
3. Since when an statement about the nature of the artificial (to be created by intelligent processes.) can be taken as an oposite statement (to be created by unintelligent processes.) about the oposite of artificial ??? It's a non-sequitur
Edited by fallacycop, : typo

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fallacycop
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Message 80 of 305 (394904)
04-13-2007 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Rob
04-13-2007 11:02 PM


Re: Artificial
Websters Definition / Artificial 2 : not genuine : feigned
I assume there was aa Artificial 1 entry in the Websters dictionary. May be that`s the one everybody else in this thread is using. (A clear case of equivocation). Now, I find it really hard to believe you could be that desengenious, should I assume you are simply being facetious?

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fallacycop
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Message 159 of 305 (395279)
04-15-2007 9:35 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Doddy
04-15-2007 3:14 AM


Nitpick
Just a little nitpick
is not the purpose of the strong nuclear force to hold electrons together?
electrons are not held by the strong force. They are held by the electromagnetic force. May be you meant quarks?

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Message 160 of 305 (395282)
04-15-2007 9:40 PM
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04-15-2007 5:34 PM


Re: Abiogenesis & encryption
excuse me, but DNA isn't digital.
I`m afraid you`re not right about that one , as Doddy pointed out. But if you don`t mind me asking, What difference does that make?

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Message 162 of 305 (395305)
04-15-2007 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by kuresu
04-15-2007 10:37 PM


Re: Abiogenesis & encryption
what makes DNA store info in discrete "bits"? is each "bit" like the code for a protein?
In the case of DNA you can take every base as a discrete unit. The word discrete means that there are a finite (countable) number of possibilities.
Contrast, if you will, a CD with an LP. In a CD the music is encoded in sequence of zeros and ones. there are only two possibilities for every unit of information. that`s a countable number of possibilities, which makes the information content of CD`s discrete or Digital.
LP`s(Venyl), on the other hand, have the music encoded into microscopic grooves that cannot be broken down into units with finite (countable) possibilities. That makes them analag.
DNA, like CD`s, have their information encoded in discrete form. Every base has 4 possibilities -- a,c,t,g -- which is countable (Digital)
I hope that helps

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fallacycop
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Message 164 of 305 (395307)
04-15-2007 11:27 PM
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04-15-2007 9:03 PM


Re: Abiogenesis & encryption
However, most things we consider digital feature electronic or optical storage and numerically binary data.
To be electronic or optical is a red hearing. Even analog TV`s are elctronic. Binary data sure is digital, but it is defnetly not the only possible choice for digital data.

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Message 187 of 305 (395998)
04-18-2007 5:01 PM
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04-18-2007 1:00 PM


Re: Abiogenesis & encryption
i forgot about creatures living in deep sea vents, where the water is 400 degress celcius (750ish farenhiet). funny thing though--no boiling due to pressure.
Interesting enough, water never boils above its critical point pressure which is somewhere around 220 atmosphere (If I remember it right). (That's about 2200 meters below sea level.)

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