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Author Topic:   Death before the 'Fall'?
Jazzns
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Message 147 of 230 (286135)
02-13-2006 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by Garrett
02-13-2006 10:49 AM


Re: Evidence that there was no death before the Fall
Did they eat meat right away after the fall or did they have to wait until God let them?
Genesis 9:3: Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
If so then were they disobeying God by eating meat before he allowed it.
If not they why were they raising sheep and why was Abel's sacrafice of meat offering better than Cain's? If they were only supposed to be eating plants then certainly Cain's offering was more of a sacrafice in the truest sense. Abel would have just been killing an innocent creature for no reason and no personal sacrafice which sort of destroys the whole connection to Jesus and redemption by the blood of the lamb.
Either way you have a contradiction. Biblical literalism forces one to accept conflicting doctrine.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 149 of 230 (286208)
02-13-2006 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Garrett
02-13-2006 11:52 AM


Re: Evidence that there was no death before the Fall
At least at any church service I have ever attended where this was discussed, sacrafice means you are giving up something. The thing you are sacraficing has to mean something to you or else it is not real. The poor woman giving up all she had gave a bigger sacrafice than the rich man in the gospels.
If Abel's lamb was not part of his livelihood then there was no sacrafice. Therefore Cain giving up something that actually had value would have been a greater sacrafice.
That is unless they were eating meat. If they were eating meat then there were doing so against the will of God who didn't allow it until after the flood.
If you want to take the Bible literally then you must do so everywhere. There is an explicit contradiction here where either God is promoting Abel who is blatantly disobeying his will by eating meat when it is not given to man or that the will of God is incongruent between the creation story and the flood story. There is little room between short of special pleading if you want to claim literalism.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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