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berberry
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Message 223 of 302 (361884)
11-05-2006 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by Hyroglyphx
11-05-2006 12:57 PM


We're not dogs, you moron!
nemesis_juggernaut writes:
quote:
...can I marry a little boy or girl? Can I marry my dog?
Trying to keep up with which insults are out-of-bounds and which insults are encouraged on this board is dizzying to say the least, but I for one think this insult has been used quite enough and should no longer be acceptable. We are not little children and we are not dogs. Are you so stupid that you don't think gay people are capable of giving informed consent to a legal contract?
This is one of the most insulting statements I've ever encountered. If this sort of indignity is okay, would a serious comparison of christians to crustaceans be allowed?

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berberry
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Message 229 of 302 (361892)
11-05-2006 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by AdminOmni
11-05-2006 3:00 PM


Re: ADMIN CAUTION
AdminOmni writes me:
quote:
...he did not direct a personal insult at another member.
And I suppose a comparison of African-Americans to certain primates other than humans would also be acceptable since no one particular other member was personally insulted.
The comment was beyond the pale and you know it.

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berberry
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Message 238 of 302 (361918)
11-05-2006 3:44 PM
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11-05-2006 3:39 PM


Re: ADMIN CAUTION
holmes, I'll respond in the moderator's thread. It might be a few minutes cuz I'm trying to do this while I'm watching the Saints kick hell out of Tampa Bay, without Joe Horn, even!

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berberry
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Message 248 of 302 (361949)
11-05-2006 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by Hyroglyphx
11-05-2006 4:26 PM


Re: We're not dogs, you moron!
nemesis_juggernaut write me:
quote:
If homosexual marriage is okay, relatively speaking, then so is marriage between a man and a child or a woman and a dog.
No it is not, because there is no valid comparison between them. There is only a thinly veiled insult, and I don't for one second believe it wasn't intended.

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berberry
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Message 271 of 302 (361998)
11-05-2006 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 267 by Silent H
11-05-2006 6:52 PM


Re: We're not dogs, you moron!
holmes, you're reading past what I'm saying. I never said there was no basis whatever for the comparison, I said that there's no way to use the comparison without it being insulting. Like I said to Faith, in 1900 you'd have made just as much sense to say "would you allow an ape to vote?" as a way of arguing against giving the vote to African-Americans, but there's no way you could have crafted an argument using that comparison without an implied insult.
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berberry
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Message 288 of 302 (362077)
11-06-2006 4:14 AM
Reply to: Message 283 by Hyroglyphx
11-06-2006 12:45 AM


Re: We're not dogs, you moron!
nemesis_juggernaut writes me:
quote:
But I explained my position and the meaning of my own post and I apologized for having said anything that might have confused you.
I hope you don't regard yourself as having offered any real apology to me or to anyone else, because you haven't. So you and holmes may be right: you were being perfectly logical in arguing against an anything-goes, remove-any-and-all-restrictions-on-who-or-what-can-get-married policy. Your rebuttal to that policy was immenently sound.
But no one was proposing that policy, you bigoted nitwit! You brought it up yourself for the sole purpose of knocking it down with your veiled insult comparing gays to dogs. It was an insult in the purest sense of the word and you still haven't apologized for it, not that I'd ever expect you to.
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berberry
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Message 295 of 302 (362125)
11-06-2006 10:17 AM


The times just might be a-changin'
The New York Times this morning has a fascinating piece on the effect of all this on the Rev. Haggard's church, at which there were apparently a number of guest speakers at services yesterday. If I may draw your attention to the last three paragraphs, I'd like to ask if anyone else sees a very interesting change in tone from what we usually expect of the religious right?
Other speakers urged the congregation not to look for political conspiracies. If the timing of the disclosures affects the nation, or the election on Tuesday, then that is God’s will, the speakers said. Mr. Haggard was a prominent supporter of conservative causes, including a proposed amendment to the Colorado Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman.
“God does things when he thinks they’re appropriate,” said Larry Stockstill, the pastor of the Bethany World Prayer Center in Louisiana, from which the New Life Church began in 1985 as an outreach mission.
“What’s going to happen in the nation?” Mr. Stockstill said. “You know what ” I don’t think that’s your concern or mine. He chose this incredibly important time for this sin to be revealed and I actually think it’s a good thing ” I believe America needs a shaking, spiritually.”
I'm certainly intrigued!

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