Is anyone else fed up with Muslims complaining all the time?

[devil's advocate]I wonder, though, if we can think of any reason that muslims, particularly in the middle east, might lately feel that their religion is under attack? [/devil's advocate]

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It was the Muslims who originally separated people into groups, calling the non-Muslims by a specific name,

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You mean like the Jews call non-Jews "Gentiles (which means pagan or heathen)", Shaigetz (The Yiddish perjorative term for non-Jew) and "Goyim" (Yiddish for non-jew, sometimes used perjoratively)?Oh, wait.

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We have millions of jihadis demanding respect for the dignity and honor of their twisted beliefs

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Millions? Really? How do you know it's millions?

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and yet offer nada when it comes to doing something for the rest of humanity, unless you think enslavement of women, killing infidels, etc,...is an improvement.

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Maybe they are just looking to history and copying what the Christians did back in the day.

Bush called the war in Iraq a "crusade".Israel's constant oppression of them, and the west's endorsement and military support of Israel. (Not that both sides aren't to blame here, to be sure)Bush's declaration that Iran was part of the "Axis of Evil", even though at the time there was a more moderate reformer leader there, who what quickly replace by a radical after they felt threatened.

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He didn't literally mean a crusade of christians vs. muslims, though, did he?

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Probably not, but I am quite sure that the word choice was utterly intentional. "Black and white", "us vs. them", "our way or the highway", "you're either for us or against us" has been the bread and butter of this administration from day one.

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As evidenced by the other conciliatory stuff he also said at the time. He meant "crusade" as a military effort, like "crusade against bolshevism". Extremely poor choice of words, I agree.

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Poor choice of words for diplomacy. Perfect choice of words to rile up the religious bigotry of the republican base.

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I can't think of anywhere where Islam is being physically attacked purely because it is Islamic.

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It doesn't have to be "purely" for there to be resentment.

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Certainly, people are targeted & oppressed that happen to be muslim, but that's a different thing altogether to their religion being deliberately attacked just because it is that particular religion.

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As much as I agree with you, and I do, that's not how some muslims view things. To some muslims, to attack a muslim government or muslim state is to attack the muslim religion.And that's what matters WRT this latest violence.

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You originally posted regarding muslims having their religion attacked.

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Not quite.I asked if we could think of any reason that moslems might feel like their religion was under attack.

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Islam is being attacked, or it isn't.

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Some muslims feel that their religion is being attacked whether it is or isn't in my or your judgement.

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They are wrong, then, & that's their bad, no-one elses.

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Look, let me put it this way.We (completely justifiably) invaded Afghanistan which was a Islamic theocracy and continue to engage the Taliban.We invaded Iraq, another largely Islamic country, and not a single one of the administration's stated pre-war reasons for going to war there have been supported by facts.We supported and endorsed Israel's attack of Lebanon, to the point of refusing to call for a cease fire when the rest of the international community was pleading for one.We are making all sorts of threatening sabre-rattling sounds towards Iran wrt their nuclear ambitions.And, George Bush and many republican members of congress and his cabinet make no secret of their devout Chritianity and Bush in particular told us that he believes that God guides his decisions.If I was a muslim living in the middle east, especially if I only had limited access to media, I might start to think that the US government likes Jews and Christians and isn't particularly fond of muslims.I'm not saying that their reasoning isn't flawed.I'm just saying that, given their situation, I can understand some paranoia on their part.

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"Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends! Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!"
- Ned Flanders"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson

Just wwanted you to know, holmes, that I think you are getting along famously in this thread.Don't know why, (and I've tried hard to make sure it's not my own bias) but I see nothing of what I have complained to you about in the posts you've made in this thread.

Of course, it's simply the corporation that the Wal-Mart-shopping middle- and lower-middle-class Christian Republicans who lapped up the advertizing, did their capitalist duty and made Christimas the non-sacred, unreligious commercial holiday that it is today.It's CHRISTIANS who celebrate it most energetically, for Christ's sake! Its THEIR frigging holiday!How on earth could the very small minority of non-Christians in the US, many of whom are members of other faiths and so do not celebrate Christmas at all, not even in a secular way, have waged a "war on Christmas"?No, Christians need to point the finger squarely at themselves if they want to blame anybody for the commercialization of one of their own frigging holidays.Sheesh!

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Reply to me when you begin to fully utilize your cognitive ability.
Do you know who that is?

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Mindless abusers of the Socratic method (they don't even know what that is)....

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Why do you do what you do?

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How sad.A teaching opportunity missed.So much wisdom you could have imparted to Brian.Please, O wise MOO, we, your feeble intellectual lessers, implore you to cast upon our unworthy ears some shreds of your luminous and sage erudition.We crave your uplifting enlightenment!

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"Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends! Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!"
- Ned Flanders"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson

If what you are saying is that there is no possible way, given the reasons I have stated, that some Moslems might come to the somewhat paranoid conclusion that Islam is under attack, then I guess we have nothing more to talk about.

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I'm stating that they have erroneously come to that conclusion.

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I'm not sure that they would be erronious in their assesment of Israel's motivations.But anyway, I should have said more clearly (and I now realize that I wasn't clear) that I think that Muslims are somewhat justified in thinking that their religion is under attack.It seems to me that you do not.

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I just think that schraf has a point (if I am understanding it) that the average person in depressed mideast nations are unlikely to have access to proper information on, much less correct understandings of, the intricate geopolitical situation they are in and so get a "feeling" based on more superficial analysis of regional events.

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Bing!Give the little lady a prize.

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The Puritans came over and founded america for religious freedom.

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No they didn't.They came to America so they could enforce their religious extreminsm upon everyone in their comunity.

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