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Author Topic:   Is anyone else fed up with Muslims complaining all the time?
randman 
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Message 11 of 152 (350151)
09-19-2006 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Brian
09-18-2006 3:39 PM


interesting post
But you malign all religion just because some religion is false. One could say the same thing about science or perhaps ideology and certainly secularism. Anything can be abused and misused.
But you are right on the main point. The continual Muslim reaction of outrage at percieved and real slights needs to be condemned. It was the Muslims who originally separated people into groups, calling the non-Muslims by a specific name, and denigrating them.
Take the Jews, a very persecuted group, and a group whom many Muslims in the ME seem to despise. Did they simply protest and demand respect from the rest of humanity?
They earned the respect of humanity. The simple fact is Jewish scientists, businessmen and entertainers have earned the respect of humanity by their knowledge and skill. It seems that within Islam, the radical portion of the community there demands respect of humanity and is outraged when they do not receive it, but don't seem willing to work for advances for mankind outside of their faith. Maybe working to earn respect rather than demand it would serve Islam and the Muslim community a little better.
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Message 12 of 152 (350153)
09-19-2006 12:37 AM
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09-18-2006 5:27 PM


are u for real?
Still, after several years of armies from Christian nations causing mayhem in Iraq, it is understandable that the muslims are a little peeved.
Are you serious? First off, it's sort of interesting that you claim Britain and the USA are "Christian nations"? If that's the case, then why object to teaching the Bible in schools? Or at least "teaching the controversy"?
Seems in some respects the USA and Britain are decidedly non-Christian, at least by the standards of this forum.
Or maybe you are saying being a Christian nation means a nation that allows all religions?
Also, what is understandable about the Muslim reaction? You mean they have an insane dictator that cruelly tortures his people and is removed from power, and they should be "peeved" about that?

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Message 20 of 152 (350226)
09-19-2006 9:08 AM
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09-19-2006 1:17 AM


Re: interesting post
No, here is what happened. We are talking recent history. Of course, there have been Islamic and Arabic advances in the past. So what?
We have millions of jihadis demanding respect for the dignity and honor of their twisted beliefs, and yet offer nada when it comes to doing something for the rest of humanity, unless you think enslavement of women, killing infidels, etc,...is an improvement.

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Message 44 of 152 (350376)
09-19-2006 3:49 PM
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09-19-2006 1:43 PM


Re: interesting post
This is inaccurate. Who were the gentiles in the Bible for example? Who are the Harijans in Hinduism? Groups have been isoloated and denegrated for centuries before Muhammad was born.
I think you are missing the point, but I could have been clearer. The Muslims are offended that they are being disrespected. However, from the very start, Islam direspected others and other religions and separated the people into groups, those that believe (having a more exalted status) and those of that same people that were non-Muslims. Of course, there have always been divisions, but the point is in context the Muslims cannot say they have treated everyone's beliefs with respect and dignity, and in fact, they have done the opposite; hence my comment on the Muslims first seperated the people into groups, denigrating and disrespecting other religions, and yet they demand everyone respect their beliefs and religion.
It's not that the Muslims were particularly different in this regard, but to expect that somehow they should be treated differently than they themselves have treated others is unreasonable.

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Message 46 of 152 (350411)
09-19-2006 4:36 PM


the double standard in play
A Washington, D.C.-based human rights monitor claims the cases of Fabianus Tibo, Dominggus Dasilva and Marinus Riwu are being rushed to a conclusion in order to appease Muslims upset by the scheduled execution of three Islamic terrorists charged in the 2002 Bali bombing.
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"This is a glaring injustice and hints of massive cover-up by the Indonesian government," the group said in a statement, noting it has done its own investigation of the conflict.
"Entire Christian villages were attacked with government munitions and burned down using Indonesian government fuel trucks," ICC said. "Christian adults and children were beheaded. The Muslim community initiated the attacks and there was every indication that local Muslim government leaders were involved. Why were no Muslims ever charged in any of the attacks?"
ICC's president, Jeff King, said there are "so many Muslims in the Poso area with blood on their hands that the governor of Central Sulawesi, where Poso is located, recently conveyed to the community that in order to attain peace it was necessary to implement a 'general amnesty' for those implicated in the Poso case."
"Strangely," King said, "the need for amnesty is only for those who have not been charged."
ICC is carrying out a campaign on behalf of the men, asking individuals to contact the Indonesia Embassy in the U.S., the U.K. or Canada. The group is asking for a delay in the execution and the opening of a wide-ranging investigation into the Poso attacks "so that everyone who is guilty can be charged or amnestied."
Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono denied a request for clemency last year. Several members of the U.S. Congress have written to Susilo, urging him to reconsider his decision.
A number of Indonesian human rights groups are supporting the three men, seeking clemency and exoneration.
Humanitarian workers?
The three men claim their convictions resulted from irregularities during their trial. They contend, for example, the judge in the case neglected to consider the testimony of 13 different witnesses - including the defendants themselves - that would have exonerated them.
Marinus Riwu
A number of other witnesses - including Irwanto Hasan, who at the time was a member of the Poso Police Intelligence Division - say the men were part of a humanitarian team when they were arrested.
They came to Poso in 2000 after hearing reports a Catholic Church there had been burned, according to the British-based Christian charity Jubilee Campaign.
The men entered the conflict zone to evacuate children from a church-run school in the village of Moengko, Poso City, the group said. On the morning of May 23, 2000, a Muslim mob entered the village and set fire to the church. The defendants and the students escaped out the back door before the building burned to the ground.
Page not found - WND
What I don't get is why there should be some "balance" to the Bali bombings? Is it that the Muslim community feels slighted that some of their bombers were convicted and so Christian aid workers need to be executed? I mean what the heck.
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