Egyptology Sets Up A Straw Man

Brian,I am amazed that you are tackling this! You should change your nick to Sisyphus!I guess I'll just sit back and watch you push this boulder almost to the top only to have Ray start it all over again at the bottom. I don't know whether to admire you or be concerned for you!lfen

Ringo,Well put and continue your cogent posts. Ray's only defense is to go on the offense and attack the bearer of bad news. On the other hand he has never made any sense. I guess Brian is a bit bored to even take this on. I lost interest months ago in anything Willowtree aka Ray has to say but am following this thread just to see how Brian goes through this.lfen

Parrot,It's hard for me to stop laughing long enough to type anything up on Velikovsky. Sounds like you are a Python fan and if you read up on Velikovsky a bit you will understand a little better where this debate is taking place, like a little NW of Never Never Land where the Buffalo roam and cigarette trees and lemonade streams...well a lot like an episode of the MP's Flying Circus, and where it would take a logician of the caliber of Lewis Carroll to untangle the through the looking glass arguments, but this is probably the best entertainiment in this forum!Share and enjoy!
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Yeah, but, he has the IRREFUTABLE VELIKOVSKY on this side! You can't refute the irrefutable! That's a contradiction in terms ya know. Ya'll lost before the debate ever began! lfen

oh, come on, Arach,if they can fake moon landings, photographs of a supposedly spherical earth, and the Holocast just how easy don't you think it is to fake bison bones?! Give it up, man, you won't fool me!lfen

Ringo,jest don't set your heart on it. Those of us who have been here awhile know how little Willowtree, now aka Ray, ever delivered on his claims.What we are witnessing here is pure classic Willowtree debate; make outrageous claims including the claim they are irrefutable and then post URL's to the creme de la creme of wacko crackpot websites and declare yourself the winner after tossing insults after insult at anyone who dares disagree. It's hilarious!!! I don't think it gets any better here. Enjoy yourself! lfen

Oh, YEAH! man oh man, Willowtree is back, and EvC's Flying Circus is on the road again!And it is also an occassion for me to pick up more history thanks to you and Arach.I think the last time I've enjoyed a thread this much is when the Longest Land Meridan was being debated.lfen

AdminNosy,I went back and read Ray's OP and I had forgotten what a tangled mess it was. Since I'm enjoying the humor of this thread immensely I'm not complaining but I am suggesting that in the future getting a tighter definition might be helpful.I've pulled out this statement from the sprawling mess Ray submitted as being the most likely candidate as his major premise: And several posters right off the bat correctly pointed out that this is non starter. For the sake of argument I'll assume that no one produces a claimed victory during David's reign. I'll even posit that there is a David and we know for certain when he reigned. However, I assert that a "lack of claimed victory" doesn't corroborate the scriptural record. Lack of evidence is not a corroboration.The logical failure is right there from the get go in Ray's faulty premise. But then he may say that wasn't his premise. This whole hilarious enterprise was hobbled from the outset. It's like the gates opened and the horse tried to take a step and fell over and now is just thrashing around trying to get up!just my proverbial 2 cents,
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One with case hardened goal posts set in concrete, I hope!lfen

Rev,You haven't been here very long have you?lfen

Brian does the best at debating Ray. What you got is as good as it gets. Just look back over some Willowtree threads. You decide if you find value in the activity or not. I was just trying to give you a heads up!lfen

Mangy,Since Ray isn't going to tell you, I'll take mercy on you and fill you in.Egypt was destroyed just as it said but Jehovah had taken all their sense from them and so they just never noticed!And if it hadn't been recorded in the Bible no one else would have noticed. You can thank Moses for writing that book because admit it, without reading Exodus, you wouldn't have a clue either!lfen

Iblis,Have you read any of the previous GP threads? Looks like you are fully cognizant that this is a magical mystery tour of cloud cuckoo land, so sit back and enjoy! Just realize that it only gets more and more bizarre, you've entered the twilight zone and logic does not apply!wishing you humorous patience
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Ray,Do you know of anyone who hates Velikovsky? My opinion of him is I believe that of the majority and that is to be utterly baffled by his looney theories that have no basis in physics or astronomy. His theories amount to a ludicrious joke. Venus was somehow ripped out of Jupiter and showered extraterrestial protein on the Isrealites as manna? It's just very bad science fiction to the point of being cult comedy.I do think Dr. Scott was a profiteering charlatan and I am now suspecting he was character disordered and probably should be condemned for duping people like yourself to build his financial empire.As to Velikovsky,well, scientists haven't taken much time to answer his popular works of science fiction, why should they? They haven't taken time to refute Plan Nine from Outer Space either. As to whether Velikovsky was a hoaxster, a fraud, or a kook I don't know but his theories are so wild they are not even junk science but simply bad science fiction i.e. good science fiction respects most of the findings of science and only extrapolate one or two possibilities like faster than light travel.Charlatans like Dr. Scott offer strong emotional simple stories but you really need to go beyond that and start reading factual material. Velikovsky proved nothing and offer no meaningful evidence and is thus rightly ignored by scientists, after all they have to spend their time dealing with real data, real experiements, observations etc. and not theories that Venus was once part of Jupiter. Your other claims about Velikovsky have been refuted in other threads but then you wait awhile and then claim they have not been refuted.No egyptologists are going to accept citations from Velikovsky because he had no expertise in the subject at all, no crediblility, zip, none, nada. Velikovsky has been debunked as to his astronomy and history and his nonsense has been mostly forgotten accept by fringe hucksters like Gene Scott.lfen