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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4141 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
A question for you ray, if david was a big deal, a person who ruled vast lands, how come there isn't any record outside the bible about him? why is it that no writers of that time gave him space?
the bible is as much evidence as the history of the greek ocupation of greece was, ie: myths to give the people racial unitytroy has more evidence than king david, atlantis does too I love how you revert to taking pot shots at evolutionists when you can't find answers, bravo! where is evidence of saul, the evidence has to be outside the bible This message has been edited by ReverendDG, 01-06-2006 02:57 AM
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4141 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
Why does a person choose a handle with the word "Reverend" in it then proceed to argue against the Bible ? Answer: attempt to stake-out an objectivity that does not exist = false witness. Amazing you have nothing so you attack my user name, who says i'm a reverend of your bible? so I am a false witness because i chose this name?
Opponent erects a classic straw man: assumption that other nations and kingdoms produce records about their enemies.
Try reading about rome, greece, england,lreland,scotland, hey anything on history
The only possible scenario for the destruction of the straw man is to evidence your claim/assumption that other nations and kingdoms in the ancient Near East routinely created records about their rivals.
so greece and rome don't count then? or do you just ignore alexander the great?
This of course touches on the OP point: Egyptology erects the same straw man against the Bible by asserting "Where is the Plagues and Exodus in Egyptian records ?"
thats just silly do you really think historians care about some defeat? now if the history of the bible was 100% true they could back it up
Answer: Where does ANY Near East nation record defeats ?
how about rome,greece, hey heres a link to a list of defeats List of Mesopotamian dynasties - Wikipediarecording where the kingship switched cities would be a defeat, unless you streach logic why is the evolution stuff even relevent? could you stay on topic?
The reason there are none is because Near East nations want to forget defeats (Exodus) - they don't record them. The silence confirms and supports the Biblical evidence.
so what you are saying is there couldn't be another reason? isn't that a bit unreasonable? maybe I don't know.. it didn't happen?
Another reason as to why there is a paucity of stone inscriptions is because Israel did not produce them, their scribes produced scrolls. Opponets erect this straw man too falsely assuming the Hebrews were like their heathen neighbors. We have many manuscripts. strange that you ignore that *many* people back then recorded things on scrolls! the egyptians used scrolls, so did many of the people around the hebrews, like the greeks, the persians,etc - you are claiming that the people except the hebrews were primitive
The best evidence for the Royal House of David is seen in the place where his descendants migrated to: Great Britian. The Bible says David was red/ruddy. His line was preserved from destruction by Nebuchadnezzar when Jeremiah protected a daughter of Zedekiah and transported her to Ireland - the only red/ruddy race on Earth. you would do well to stop claiming this nonsense, or my ancesters may very well kill you out of annoyance, i find it insulting, in a way, and we arn't very ruddy at all, you need to stop recycling baseless gene scott tripe
Historical facts branded a myth. The writer of this absurd comment does this because Troy (Schliemann) was proven to be a fact and there is nothing to gain and everything to lose for his anti-Biblical/pro-evolution worldview.
so i'm anti-biblical because i don't agree with you then?, what a leap of logic, how do you know they are historical, there is no evidence for anything, unless you can show it
There is literally tons of evidence for Troy compared to human evolution, yet my opponent shows a lopsided bias. This proves evidence is not the issue, but secular worldviews must be maintained despite the evidence. so asking you to back up what you say as opposed to swallowing it shows bias?, whether I agree with evolution is irrelevent ray!you are just evading everything post something other than tired old arguements and accusations please as I said why would they not record david ruling most of the middle east? if you are going to claim this back it up, because someone ruling major lands wouldn't be unrecorded
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4141 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
you really don't understand logical fallicies.. it has nothing to do with theology, being theist or atheist is besides the point
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4141 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
thank you
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4141 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
Your belief about the fact (fallacy) is false. Ray what is false about it?what fact? what are you talking about, can you please be even less clear
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4141 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
so, instead of coming up with a good answer, you just quote me?
come on ray you can do better than this, i'm asking a simple question, what does theology have to do with logic or logical fallicies unless you do not understand thier usesage
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4141 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
well i was hoping to get an answer i could challenge but i guess thats too much for ray
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4141 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
sure nope problem, i just wanted to debate
sad that ray doesn't want to
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4141 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
http://EvC Forum: Egyptology Sets Up A Straw Man -->EvC Forum: Egyptology Sets Up A Straw Man
being that you claim eveything i asked you as a strawman in my first post, and percy asked you to learn what a strawman is, and you bring theology into it, when it was irrelevent, points to you diverting the topic but anyway how about my post?why would a large area ruled over by david for a peaceful period go unrecorded why do you discount romes records of being defeated? why do you ignore historic evidence of defeats in that area? This message has been edited by ReverendDG, 01-08-2006 07:28 PM This message has been edited by ReverendDG, 01-08-2006 09:05 PM
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4141 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
The Great Pyramid proves the existence of God and the Biblical penalty that God blinds the eyes of those who deny Him Creator credit.
so, we can't see the truth because god doesn't want us to see it?, then whats the point?
EvC will not allow me another GP topic. They want to sleep at night.
no i think its because you just keep saying the same things over and over again, when people show you are wrong..
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4141 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
God wants you to die and not come to the truth for lying about the truth via Darwinian nonsense and lies. Thats why He blinds you the point is that you are claiming you can read gods mind, and/or he is a sadistic bastard who, does illogical things such as blinding people to the truth instead of showing them the truth, which sounds more likely?
Mindless assertions that defy physical evidence and data do not jeopardize physical evidence. The GP proves both things that I said and it is not a matter of opinion. Did you know the GP is an exact scale replica of the Northern Hemisphere ? How did camel riding Egyptians fresh out of the Stone Age know the shape and dimensions of the Earth ? so do oyou have any evidence of this other than claims?, other than that why bring this up at all?
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4141 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
Atheist rant.
Ray useless post, ray and ramoss is right, all your proof is not from the bible, but from someone who has an agenda to make it look soby the way can you explain your reasoning for saying people are struck blind when they do not agree with the bible? i find nothing that says that god strikes those who do not give him credit blind, other wise its is a baseless claim This message has been edited by ReverendDG, 01-21-2006 11:18 PM
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4141 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
Which part of his interpretation of Romans in Message 255 do you disagree with, and what alternate interpretation would you put in its place? hmm i must have missed that, over all the other text, i wouldn't say pauls writings are wrong (i understand his meaning) but i don't agree that god would do such a terrible thing, why would a loving god do such a thing, this is pretty much off topic anyway
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4141 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
i was wrong, good going but you need to be more civil about it,
have you read any of his threads?, he never claims hes wrong, only its someone else being blinded, or no god sense when i said it was offtopic i think you missed understood me, i meant asking why god would bline people it would be offtopic, i wasn't saying you were off topic
I dunno, mysterious ways? Obvious fictionality? There's plenty of precedent for it in The Law though. Here, this will be my "Out of Egypt" content for this post, from Exodus
in the context of a all forgiving god who loves everyone, namely the common understanding of the christian god, not the jewish god
Excuse me? Ray concedes he might be wrong at the drop of a hat, all one has to do is introduce sufficient doubt on his "evidence" for him to withdraw it. Jar demonstrated this just a few posts ago in Message 247.
when has he really ever done this?, people told him something he agreed with it, then 5 posts down he says the same nonsense again
Some of his opposition, on the other hand, can be caught red-handed not even bothering to read before replying, and just gloss it over like it was nothing. Ray would get banned for crap like this instantly!
no he wouldn't be booted instantly!, he might be told he's wrong a few times, but just like a lot of people who want thier view unquestioned he ignores things even after he agrees with them but whatever works, all i can say is its a debate and people can be wrong, i was wrong, get over it
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4141 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
i wish i had thought out my posts a bit better myself
And so on and so on and so on. The second thing I noticed about the guy after the "Dr. Scott" idolatry was that he tended to concede more points than everyone opposing him combined. Admittedly he doesn't do it in the best graces, obviously it means he's wrong or at least unsupportable a lot, but it's still one of his defining characteristics in the impression he has made on me. the problem is doctor scott follows some nonsensical beliefs, such as the junk about ireland, sorry but ireland has no realation to isreal, except maybe the same basis that all most all societies have, namely the spread of languages from africa through the middle east to europe, and trading between them.as for ray, he ends up attacking people so much the admins don't bother anymore because he just seems to meltdown way to fast into insults Can you document this? By which I mean, not You're a liar! as some people might interpret it, but rather that I tried to document it myself and couldn't seem to find it happening? Of course I'm getting a little tired now, so I probably missed it somewhere obvious in one of my previous citations. What I did find one tiny bit of along these lines is him being accused of not dropping stuff that he insists he has, as follows well sometimes he does drop things, mostly because he doesn't know enough about the subject, which is a normal course, but others..i'm not sure but one of the gp threads in free for all - http://EvC Forum: PROOF OF GOD -->EvC Forum: PROOF OF GOD he says asgara is right that the gp isn't in the center of egypt i believe then a few pages later he starts saying it is again, even though he agreed it wasn't, i'm not sure which posts it was
Took less than a minute. Yes, it's because he's earned such scrutiny, I'm not denying that. But it does mean that everytime someone tosses in a jab about being "off topic" or "baseless" the dude is fighting for his survival. its hard to argee with someone who uses people on the fringe, and people whos expertese lies not in the subject at hand - amatures that use the information to push beliefs rather than constuct the past This message has been edited by ReverendDG, 01-23-2006 04:59 AM
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