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Topic: Egyptology Sets Up A Straw Man
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Ray Martinez writes: IIRC there were 250,000,000 bison killed in the New World since the arrival of Europeans, yet anyone would be hard pressed to accumulate a foot locker amount of their remains.
Bad example. I can show you well over a "foot locker amount" of bison remains just within a few miles of my house. When I was a kid, you could still find the bones lying around on the prairie and, even today, the museums are full of bones, skins, etc. Where is the corresponding archaeological evidence of the Exodus?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Who said I was an opponent?
Ray Martinez writes: Newbies should review the Exodus debates recently "finished" and figure out your unsupported assertions carry no weight and will be treated as such.
As the newest newbie (by far) on this thread, I presume you are referring to me. I referred to an unsupported assertion that you made about bison remains. You were the one who brought it up, so don't complain if somebody responds. Since I live in "Bison Central", I thought I would contribute some information that most of our members would not have. If you want me to support my assertions, all you have to do is ask. Whether or not my assertions carry any weight is up the the individual members to decide. It is not for you to decree. As for the OP, the only strawman that I have seen in this thread is the idea that unidentified Egyptologists are setting up strawmen.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Graven images?
Ray Martinez writes: The Torah as pointed out forbid graven images.
And yet, the Ten Commandments themselves were engraved on stone tablets. In time the whole Torah was written down. It is only images that are forbidden, not text. You can't use that as an excuse.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Soviet Union?
Ray Martinez writes: You live in the Soviet Union. My quote specified "New World"....
 Um... the Soviet Union is kaput. Haven't you heard? My location is "Soviet Canuckistan" - i.e. CANADA. (The reference is to one of your US politicians thinking we're a little too left-wing up here.) Specifically, I live in a place that used to be called "Pile o' Bones". If you care to Google that, you'll find out why I know a little about bison remains.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Ray Martinez writes: ...remains under the protection of a museum obviously don't count.
Where do you think the bones in the museums come from? They were dug up. Their original locations, etc. are documented. There are buffalo pounds and buffalo jumps all over the place where you can dig up your own. Of course they count. Your source says that most of the bones were destroyed, but there are still plenty left. Where is your corresponding plentiful evidence of the Exodus? (By the way, a couple of hundred miles west of here is one of the biggest deposits of dinosaur bones in the world. They are thousands of times older than the buffalo bones, and there are plenty of them too.)
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Don't have a cow, man.
All I did was point out a mistake you made about the scarcity of bison remains. All you had to do was admit that you were wrong.
Ray Martinez writes: I have no problem with your challenge. Are you acknowledging that there are plentiful bison remains? If so, why do you continue to complain that my assertions are unsupported? If you want documentation, ask for it. (I seriously doubt that anybody else reading this would question the existence of bison remains.) You brought up the lack of bison remains as a parallel to the lack of physical evidence supporting the Exodus. I pointed out that there are, in fact, plentiful bison remains. By your own parallel, therefore, there ought to be plentiful physical evidence supporting the Exodus. Instead of being so defensive, why don't you provide that evidence?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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My apologies for diverting Ray's attention. I had no idea that he would make such a big deal about something so obvious.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Dem bones....
Arachnophilia writes: it's his move now, the score's about 100k to 0, in terms of bison v. hebrew artifacts from egypt.
I'm waiting with bated breath.  In case anybody's interested, here are a few bison references: Sorry, that webpage does not exist! | Regina Public Libraryhttp://www.experiencenature.com/Unearth.html#picBison Producers of Alberta :: Page Not Found
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Ray Martinez writes: ...a supposed picture of bison remains.
Are you serious? Do you seriously still question the existence of bison remains? Come on. Be a man and admit you were wrong. Then you can go on to explain why there is no physical evidence of the Exodus.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Ray Martinez writes: What Egyptian suffering the catastrophic destruction of their nation would record that which needed to be forgotten ?
Where does the Bible say anything about the "catastrophic destruction" of Egypt? Chapter and verse?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Ray Martinez writes: You have now completely evaded my source quote.
Your source says that most of the bison remains were destroyed, not all of them. Both Arachnophilia and I have shown you evidence that substantial quantities of bison remains do exist. How is that evading your source quote? You misinterpreted your source quote. My point is made. You brought up the idea that lack of bison remains is an excuse for lack of Exodus remains. It should be clear to anybody reading this that bison remains do exist and, therefore, it is reasonable to expect that Exodus remains should exist if the Exodus really happened. You need to come up with some evidence that the Exodus happened, or come up with a different excuse for why there is no evidence.
Ray Martinez writes: I advise you to cease feigning victory....
I will leave it to the peanut gallery to award the victory laurels. 
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Ray Martinez writes: If you still want to straighten out the bison claim I am willing. My original claim was prefaced with "IIRC...." and I would like to re-phrase if we can start over on this point ?
All I ever asked was for you to admit that you did not recall correctly. I only tied bison evidence with Exodus evidence because you did. I have no problem starting over if you can concede that it is reasonable to expect some physical evidence of the Exodus.
Ray Martinez writes: I have no desire to teach a Sunday School lesson in basic Bible.
No need. I had that decades ago. Just answer the question: Where does the Bible say that Egypt was destroyed?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Ray Martinez writes: Or maybe the reason can be found in the same reason why alleged hominid fossils are few and rare compared to the enormity of the claim ?
You continue to confuse rarity with non-existence. If the evidence is there, we know that the thing existed. If there is no evidence, we have cause to wonder if the thing existed. Ever watch CSI:Crime Scene Investigation? You can't walk into a room without leaving some trace of yourself behind. Is it so unreasonable for some people to wonder how thousands of Israelites could have wandered around for forty years without leaving a single trace?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 99 of 302 (210067)
05-20-2005 4:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 93 by CK
05-20-2005 4:12 PM
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Re: the mods might want to take a look at this.
Assuming again that I am the newbie in question, let me assure Ray that I may be new to posting here but I was not born yesterday. His condescending attitude is a reflection on him, not me. Rather than seeing the moderators step in, I would like to see Ray answer the simple questions that have been put to him. This message has been edited by Ringo316, 05-20-2005 03:58 PM
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Ray Martinez writes: Egypt disappears from the Scriptural record after the Red Sea drowning until Shishak in 1Kings. My point was this is a record consistent with its claim of destruction of Egypt.
Where does the Bible claim the "destruction of Egypt"? It's a simple question. Why do you avoid answering it?
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