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jar
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Message 10 of 302 (209394)
05-18-2005 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Cold Foreign Object
05-17-2005 7:01 PM


Let's examine this idea.
If the Exodus as described in the Bible actually happened, what can we say about it?
Does the idea that it was simply not recorded carry any weight and deserve more than a cursory examination?
What would have happened if Pharaoh's army had been wiped out?
There are several external things we could look for:
  • there would be period of internal struggle while the ascension is fought over.
  • there would be a need to replace all of the lost troops and materials.
  • there would be a power vacuum and we'd see those territories and city-states that were only lightly held breaking free.
  • the other world powers would try to take advantage of the situation of a decimated Egypt.
Any and all of these would have left records external to and independant of whether or not Egypt recorded any defeats.
Is there any evidence of any of those things happening?
No!
At the time of the Biblical Exdodus myth Egypt is and remains the baddest boy on the block. There are no unaccounted for signs of troop recruitment, chariot building, horse buying or trading, weapons making, new training facilities or tactics. The Nubians don't march up from the South and there is no incursion from the North. The vassal states in Palestine continue their normal discourse and correspondence and there is no sign of major changes in allegence or sovereignty.
So there is much evidence that nothing like the Biblical defeat described in the Exodus myth ever happened and the idea that it was simply kept a secret can be dismissed.

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jar
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Message 23 of 302 (209503)
05-18-2005 8:41 PM
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05-18-2005 8:27 PM


Re: Let's examine this idea.
"These" are the items I mentioned.
Sorry WILLOWTREE, but the Exodus never happened as described in the Bible.
If so, please so your evidence for the issues I outlined.

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jar
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Message 43 of 302 (209741)
05-19-2005 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Cold Foreign Object
05-19-2005 4:38 PM


Ray Martinez: You live in the Soviet Union.
Oh oh, here come the maps again.
Let's see if you can find Canukistan on a map. (or the Soviet Union for that matter). LOL

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jar
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Message 191 of 302 (276054)
01-05-2006 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by Brian
01-05-2006 10:46 AM


Re: Reminder for Brian
IIRC, this was also a period of relative stagnation throughout the middle east. Egypt was under the Lybian monarchs and the sphere of power moved eastward from the nile, Greece was in it's Dark Ages, and the power structure in Mesepotamia broken up into several smaller powers instead of one monolithic one.
It would appear to be a time when there were power vacuums all around, the major powers in all directions somewhat pacific and the perfect time for a minor warlord to build a dynasty. The idea of a Saul or David rising up and taking over parts of the eastern end of the Med is certainly not impossible. Since all of the big boys were otherwise occupied, the beginnings of the creation of Persia, Greece, a weakened Egypt ruled by foriegn powers, weak empires further up the Nile and in Ethiopia, it's not surprising if some minor warlord went unnoticed.
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jar
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Message 226 of 302 (278286)
01-11-2006 7:20 PM
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01-11-2006 6:41 PM


Re: Defeats and official records
Ray, getting closer and closer to Witching Hour and I'm still waiting for explanations for the questions raised in Message 10

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jar
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Message 230 of 302 (278522)
01-12-2006 6:45 PM
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01-12-2006 6:34 PM


Re: Let's examine this idea.
Recent history shows minimalists run and hide at this point.
More like laugh and roll on the floor, Ray.
But propose a PNT. You know how that's done.

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jar
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Message 235 of 302 (279519)
01-16-2006 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by Brian
01-16-2006 3:49 PM


Re: Let's examine this idea.
But, after the initial chuckle, they both said there is a more serious side to this, they both think Rohl is in it for the money and they are both concerned that he is profiting from people's desperation to have anything in the Bible validated.
I believe that is the case. The Gene Scotts, Pat Robertsons, Jerry Falwells, Kent Hovinds, Ron Wyatts and such are in it for the money they can get the gullible to part with. They are simply con-men, and yes, they do do great harm to legitimate scholarship in the process. They live on the desperation of those with weak faith.

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jar
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Message 239 of 302 (279832)
01-18-2006 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 238 by Cold Foreign Object
01-17-2006 11:49 PM


Re: The Evidence that Proves the Exodus and the Temple
Darwinists take obscure fossil scraps and assert them transitional, yet we have clear physical evidence of Temple treasures engraved at Karnak.
And where is that evidence? So far all you've produced are unsupported assertions and these most recent assertions have absolutely NOTHING to do with the Exodus.
Plus I'm still waiting for answers to the questions posed in Message 10.

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jar
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Message 244 of 302 (279921)
01-18-2006 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 243 by Cold Foreign Object
01-18-2006 5:36 PM


Re: The Evidence that Proves the Exodus and the Temple
Not really an answer Ray, more in the lines of a flight of fancy. LOL

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Message 247 of 302 (279931)
01-18-2006 6:48 PM
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01-18-2006 6:33 PM


Re: More Temple Evidence
Ray, the Jehoash tablet was a forgery and the forgerer has been indicted.

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