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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 283 of 302 (285897)
02-11-2006 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by Modulous
02-10-2006 8:03 PM


Re: credit where credit is due
When one copy/pastes work, it usually considered good form to cite your source and make it clear where you copied it from. I don't think that adding your own casual tone and tailoring it slightly to the thread counts as fair use.
So, unless you really are David Downs, you might want to edit your post citing your post as being his work.
Mod is absolutely correct. I stand with him.
Ray

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Message 284 of 302 (286036)
02-12-2006 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by RAZD
02-10-2006 8:40 PM


Re: Archaeological Evidence for the Exodus
RAZD quoting me/Ray writes:
Herepton, msg 278 writes:
Even though the evidence demands this sensible realignment - it will never be accepted. The acceptance would overturn the assertions of Egyptology for the last 100 years or so, who have, simply ASSUMED the Bible is wrong and their interpretation of Manetho is correct.
I have added the caps.
RAZD writes:
Comparing well dated, cross-referenced and consistent {historical\archaeolobgical} evidence to a hypothetical interpretation of a book that makes vague references to events in the past, and noting that there are severe inconsistencies
The "book" RAZD is talking about is the Bible.
RAZD has just proved my initial point above, that is his blue box insults the premier source of ancient history, which is nothing but an ASSUMPTION that it is wrong.
There you have the total "evidence" against the Bible: assumptions of wrongness. Any objective person knows the histories of Israel, Egypt, Babylonia, and Assyria are only made compatible when Egyptian is corrected. It was atheist Egyptologists who asserted Egypt as what it is while ignoring/assuming Bible wrong for personal worldview reasons.
Anyone who studies the puzzle comes to the same conclusion: Egyptian was intentionally crafted to make Biblical appear false. Could one expect atheists to do anything else ?
Velikovsky was an atheist. He proved the Bible right and was Talibanized, which proves it was all about personal hatred of the Bible and its Deity all along.
The Exodus is the most massively proven ancient history event next to the Flood. It all is denied lest the Genesis Creator is seen as real and then the atheist worldview concomitantly viewed as falsified.
Ray

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Message 294 of 302 (286298)
02-13-2006 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by lfen
02-13-2006 1:43 PM


Re: Archaeological Evidence for the Exodus
Do you know of anyone who hates Velikovsky?
The attempted Talibanic blacklisting by Sagan and the establishment is synonymous with hatred. Chronology has literally stood still in time since 1952 when "Ages in Chaos" was released, which proved Thutmose III did not live in the 15th century BC based upon the physical evidence of the Karnak temple bas-reliefs. The stagnation is because the acceptance of the evidence automatically means 100+ years of atheist Egyptology is down the drain.
My opinion of him is I believe that of the majority and that is to be utterly baffled by his looney theories that have no basis in physics or astronomy. His theories amount to a ludicrious joke. Venus was somehow ripped out of Jupiter and showered extraterrestial protein on the Isrealites as manna? It's just very bad science fiction to the point of being cult comedy.
You have established that Velikovsky was an atheist attempting to craft natural explanations for Biblical miracles. This means he had no bias for the supernatural.
I do think Dr. Scott was a profiteering charlatan and I am now suspecting he was character disordered and probably should be condemned for duping people like yourself to build his financial empire.
Ad hom fundamentalist rant caused by the inability to refute.
Who is preaching the gospel ?
Whoever is being slandered. --Lloyd Jones
It is also apparent you are jealous of the financial rewards educated persons are known to have.
Since you are a Darwinist your views of Dr. Scott are entirely predictable. Your approval would have supported his wrongness.
I am sorry you are upset - I take no pleasure in it.
Ray

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Message 295 of 302 (286300)
02-13-2006 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by RAZD
02-13-2006 9:07 PM


Re: Reaching Ray. Really Reaching.
What "insult" did I make Ray?
RAZD previously writes:
Comparing well dated, cross-referenced and consistent {historical\archaeolobgical} evidence to a hypothetical interpretation of a book that makes vague references to events in the past, and noting that there are severe inconsistencies
"hypothetical interpretation of A book" = "veiled" insult. By saying "a" book you are attempting to downgrade the Bible as nothing but "a book".
"vague references to events in the past" = blatant misrepresentation. The Bible makes crystal clear declarations.
"and noting that there are severe inconsistencies" = assumption of inconsistency as fact. There are none. The Bible is complex because God is a complex Person. Science has proven this attribute about Him (complexity). All perceived inconsistencies are the result of the complexity being misunderstood.
Who would make these biased and untrue insults about the Bible ?
If I had to guess...maybe a Darwinist or nonbeliever ?
Ray

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Message 299 of 302 (286307)
02-13-2006 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 296 by AdminAsgara
02-13-2006 10:00 PM


Re: Reaching Ray. Really Reaching.
While we all understand the high regard in which you hold the Bible, this is a science forum. Here the Bible holds no more weight than any possible source. Bringing God into the discussion will just cause your opponents to ask for existential evidence and that is not on topic for this particular thread.
Not all who disagree with your interpretation are "Darwinists" or nonbelievers. Whether someone agrees or disagrees with you, by itself, has nothing to do with whether or not your argument is sound. Please keep the discussion moving forward without the needless assumptions concerning your opponents.
Please take any discussion of this post to the appropriate thread.
Understood.
Ray

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Message 300 of 302 (286312)
02-13-2006 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 297 by RAZD
02-13-2006 10:03 PM


Re: Reaching Ray. Really Reaching.
Nope. I used a generalized condition - "a book" means "any book" in this application. This is why I used "a book" here and "the bible" later - to distinguish between a generalized condition and a specific application of it. The capitalization is yours, showing that you want to feel insulted.
Negative.
You have made an error. I never took offense personally or said you insulted ME, rather, I said, you insulted a source/Bible, then I offered a possible reason why someone might do this.
Tell me Ray, what year was specifically mentioned in the bible for any event?
I don't recall making THIS assertion or claim since I know dates are conspicuously absent in the Bible and most other sources of ancient history.
Your claim of "crystal clear" - as well as the "primary source" - means that things are listed with specific dates rather than vague references to the times things happened. Blatant? prove it. Give me the year month and day that something occured, quoted directly, rather than a vague reference.
You have suddenly defined what you meant by "vague"; to mean you were talking about dates. But when you first made the assertion you did not say what you meant. With this being fact your comment assumes I have and am contesting THIS vagueness - I was not, and now that you have told the debate exactly what you are talking about ....I agree with you as I would have before if you would have defined vagueness to be speaking about time/dates.
Then your post repeats the error that I am somehow personally insulted. I only protested the insult of a Source that contained no evidence to justify the "insult".
Ray

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Message 301 of 302 (286313)
02-13-2006 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 298 by NosyNed
02-13-2006 10:05 PM


Re: The bare facts Ray
It is, I repeat, NOT an insult to disagree with someone.
You know that I know this. There was a misunderstanding. I protested the insult of a source.
Ray

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