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RAZD
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Message 281 of 302 (285752)
02-10-2006 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by Garrett
02-10-2006 3:37 PM


Re: Archaeological Evidence for the Exodus
I think the answer to why no archaeological evidence has been found supporting the Exodus is that it's being searched for in the wrong place....or time rather.
According to biblical chronology, the Exodus occurred around 1446 BC. Following traditional Egyption chronology this would put the Exodus smack in the middle of the 18th dynasty (1550 to 1320 BC). If we use these assumptions as our basis of search, ...
What I find most humorous about this whole concept is the way it demonstrates the ways conflicts are resolved by different people.
Comparing well dated, cross-referenced and consistent {historical\archaeolobgical} evidence to a hypothetical interpretation of a book that makes vague references to events in the past, and noting that there are severe inconsistencies, there are two reactions:
(1) Rational: the hypothetical interpretation of a certain time-line based on these vague references is wrong.
(2) Irrational: everything else is wrong.
Herepton, msg 278 writes:
Even though the evidence demands this sensible realignment - it will never be accepted. The acceptance would overturn the assertions of Egyptology for the last 100 years or so, who have, simply assumed the Bible is wrong and their interpretation of Manetho is correct.
It's much more than assertions Ray, it is evidence based on scientific investigations.
The logical conclusion would not be that the bible per se is wrong, Ray, but that the hypothetical interpretation of it that developed dates for the {plagues\exodus\etc}, and which is what is really in conflict with the evidence, is what is wrong.
It's called a falsified hypothesis.

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RAZD
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Message 293 of 302 (286296)
02-13-2006 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by Cold Foreign Object
02-12-2006 7:50 PM


Reaching Ray. Really Reaching.
Ray, do you insist on missing the point? Or do you like pretending to be a martyr? Or are you baiting me Ray? Lol.
The "book" RAZD is talking about is the Bible.
RAZD has just proved my initial point above, that is his blue box insults the premier source of ancient history, which is nothing but an ASSUMPTION that it is wrong.
What "insult" did I make Ray? (Did you actually even read what I wrote?)
I specifically said that the logical conclusion was NOT that the BOOK was wrong (or that the BOOK was an assumption), but that the HYPOTHETICAL INTERPRETATION (of the book) was an assumption that was wrong:
"The logical conclusion would not be that the bible per se is wrong, Ray, but that the hypothetical interpretation of it that developed dates for the {plagues\exodus\etc}, and which is what is really in conflict with the evidence, is what is wrong."
So how does that insult "the book"? I even underlined it and used italics in the original so that this point would be as hard to miss as possible.
Last time I checked there were no dates of historical events in the bible, even for things less than 2000 years ago (and for which there happens to be a LOT of hard, authoritative, collaborated, cross-referenced hitorical data), so that makes it difficult to use as an "authority" on ancient history in any sense other than one using RELATIVE dating: X happened before Y and Y happened before Z.
Any interpretation of events to link them to ones known from other sources (and where actual dates ARE actually known, and involving not just egyptian history but history from greek and other sources as well) is necessarily that: an interpretation, based on assumptions, and subject to (all too human) error. Anyone who says X, Y or Z happened on {{specific year}} is making an interpretation, an assumption.
Or do you have trouble distinguishing an interpretation from the data the interpretation is based on?
I'd be insulted if I weren't so amused by your response.
Enjoy.

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RAZD
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Message 297 of 302 (286303)
02-13-2006 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by Cold Foreign Object
02-13-2006 9:38 PM


Re: Reaching Ray. Really Reaching.
Yep,seems you want to feel insulted.
LOL.
"hypothetical interpretation of A book" = "veiled" insult.
Nope. I used a generalized condition - "a book" means "any book" in this application. This is why I used "a book" here and "the bible" later - to distinguish between a generalized condition and a specific application of it. The capitalization is yours, showing that you want to feel insulted.
"vague references to events in the past" = blatant misrepresentation. The Bible makes crystal clear declarations.
Tell me Ray, what year was specifically mentioned in the bible for any event? Your claim of "crystal clear" - as well as the "primary source" - means that things are listed with specific dates rather than vague references to the times things happened. Blatant? prove it. Give me the year month and day that something occured, quoted directly, rather than a vague reference.
"and noting that there are severe inconsistencies" = assumption of inconsistency as fact.
Betweeen the ASSUMED INTERPRETATION and known historical dates ... again you chose to miss the point.
And as far as your "assumption of inconsistency as fact" goes, the post I originally replied to noted those inconsistencies as fact (remember, the one you said was so reasonable?). Again you show that you want to feel insulted.
Who would make these biased and untrue insults about the Bible ?
But they weren't about the bible, but about one interpretation of it. Again you show that you want to feel insulted.
But hey, if that turns your crank, then, by all means go for it.
Enjoy.

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