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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
quote: Though that isn't exactly like your version. As for the murderer from the beginning, Jesus said:
quote: He said that to believers, by the way. (John 8:31) Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ReverendDG writes: ringo you should knoww better than to forget the context from above it I was only providing the reference for Faith - and I did point out that it doesn't match her version.(By the way, that seems to be the only direct reference to "Lucifer" in the entire KJV.) Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Hey, viewfromthetop,
I was kinda hoping for a response to Message 85, if you can spare a minute from your sermon. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
viewfromthetop writes: The reason pieces of creation are thrown in the fire is because God hates Satan and Satan is the sanitation director. Sorry, that still doesn't make any sense. Why would God hate His own sanitation director? And wouldn't it be counterproductive to throw His own sanitation director into the fire?
I would bet that there aren't many Commodore 64's out there in operation. I've got one.
As for making code that is opposed to the program, I am guessing that there is a great need for virus detection software companies to employ individuals to create viruses. And I am not suggesting that they do, but that a potential exists in the need that is created by having a virus and the antivirus. So if there is a Christ and an antichrist God somehow gets exalted out of the gray area. It it was an on/off switch it would be too easy. In reality God is making heirs out of dirt and however He accomplishes that is pretty cool. What? Any chance of an English translation?
Cntrl+Alt+Delete is pretty much death burial and resurrection. Well, no. I think my point was that Ctrl+Alt+Delete is a way to avoid throwing the computer away every time something goes wrong. The question remains: Why would God design a system that can't recover from a crash? Why would He use Satan and then just throw him away with no attempt to repair/rescue/recyle him? Allow me to repeat the question, "WHAT IF Satan reformed?" Stow the rhetoric about why Satan can't reform. What if he did? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Philip writes: In sum, do you really want a cursed-loser like me doting on “what if” hypotheses about the Devil/evil becoming God/good? Well, you weren't the one I asked. So, no. Technically, I didn't want an answer from you. But the question still is "What if?", whether you like it or not. Prattling on and on about how it's impossible just doesn't answer the question.
What if corn became peanut butter? Well whose corn is it in the beginning? What if quarks spontaneously became man? Whose quarks are they to begin with? What does ownership have to do with it? If the question was, "What if corn became peanut butter?", what would the answer be? How would the nutritive value compare with traditional peanut butter? Would artificial colours and flavours have to be added? How would the cost compare? What effects would corn-to-peanut-butter production have on the agricultural economy? Answers to the question, "What if Satan reformed?" should also answer questions like: Would Satan live on the same block as me in heaven? Would he be my supervisor, based on his greater experience? If one believes in purgatory, how long would Satan spend there? And so on.... On a more serious note, the specific questions asked in the OP are:
"It's impossible" is a pretty empty answer. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
viewfromthetop writes: Ok I'll bite Ringo. If Satan reformed and you were there to witness it, you had better put on you sun screen. Presume you are living a lie and are bound in hell like Satan since the only way Satan can repent is by lying about it. That's not much of a bite. And it doesn't answer the question either. Do you have anything to say about the topic? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
So, still nothing to say about the topic?
Let me repeat those questions from the OP one more time:
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
viewfromthetop writes: The problem is that the premise is that a lie can be something other then a lie. And that premise is false. That isn't how it works. We're not discussing what will happen. We're discussing a "what if?". Whether the premise is true or false is irrelevant to the discussion. So, your God is not a forgiving God?If He wouldn't forgive Satan, what makes you think He'd forgive you? Which brings us to:
I can't discern between lying and truthful spirits How do you know you haven't been lied to by those "spirits" who tell you that you are forgiven but Satan is not? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
viewfromthetop writes: Don't know if I will get censored but will try to stay on topic. If you want to stay on topic, you can answer the posts that have not been ruled off-topic - for example, Message 111.
My empirical evidence would suggest.... What empirical evidence? You didn't present any. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iBibleNano writes: In fact, that post in itself was satan inspired. What post are you refering to? And maybe you can explain to us how you are privy to what is "satan inspired". Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Ah... so I'm "satan inspired".
That won't come as a surprize to some, but I'm a bit disappointed: since you have such a high regard for "Satan", I thought you might be a Satanist. I don't think we have one of those around here. But on to the topic. The OP asks: If Satan reformed,
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iBibleNano writes: Satan won't reform. I'm still curious as to how you know so much about Satan's thought processes.
The answer is undefined because it doesn't make any sense. It's not even an issue. Clearly it is an issue because there's a thread about it and a hundred and thirty-odd posts by people who think it is an issue. If it isn't an issue to you, don't participate in the thread. And it's a hypothetical question. It doesn't have to "make sense". Use your imagination. What if? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
"No truth in him" suggests that he doesn't tell the truth, not that he's incapable. The stereotypical Satan chooses to lie for his own purposes, just iike we do.
I also dont think that we can be as bad as satan, since we are capable of telling the truth. Pat writes:
If the prison doors were opened and the captives set free, it would be hard to sell Get-out-of-jail-free cards, wouldnt it? Satan seems to be a pretty useful asset for organized religion. God may forgive satan, but i dont see satan changing his stripes. If he did, there is hope for all of us, but without Gods help. From God's viewpoint, I think Satan would be more useful as the ultimate reformed sinner. Edited by ringo, : Splling.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
(I think you mean "ultimate" there. "Penultimate" means "second last".) Even if He accepts Satans apology, He still has to deal with all of the unbelievers who assume they need no God and who think that human intellect is destined to be the penultimate object of worship. Why would God "have" to deal with people who tried to go without Him?
Phat writes:
If He did that, how would you know?
Then again, maybe God will simply zap Himself out of existence and let us try and run the universe from our dust speck.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Non sequitur. Humans who "have" God have also not learned how to be at peace and be humble. Having God doesn't seem to help.
Humanity has arguably not learned how to be at peace and be humble. Wars are as old as human history, as are murders, rapes, child molestations, and greed of various sorts. Humans arguably need God. Phat writes:
As I already mentioned, "God's plan" would make more sense if Satan was the supreme example of sinner in parallel to Jesus as the supreme example of saint. His repentence would be the supreme example for human repentence. The theme of every sermon would be, "If God can forgive Satan, He can forgive you." In addition, as per topic, Satan may voluntarily "reform" only if he sees his potential subjects reform themselves. Edited by ringo, : Speling.
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