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sidelined Member (Idle past 5939 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
In message 25 of the thread "Seashells on tops of mountains" CFO states the following;
Have we forgotten that not only was the vapor canopy torn asunder causing torrential catastrophic rain, but the fountains of the deep were released pushing upward. Now He does give examples from scripture that relate the translation of fountains of the deep however there are none I am aware of that speak of a vapour canopy. Now I have 2 questions. One what are the fountains of the deep and by what means do they arrive on the surface?Number 2 what is a vapour canopy and what is the evidence for it? Any creationists including Ray are quite welcome to offer a solution to these questions if they can. God does not exist until there is proof he does.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Number 2 what is a vapour canopy and what is the evidence for it? If you were standing on a bridge built over a body of water and looked down whatever you see is the same thing that you would have seen if you looked up before the Flood. The Waters Above the Firmament: Or The Earth's Annular System - Isaac Newton Vail - Google Books Fountains of the deep are mysterious sources of water beneath the ocean surface. Modern geology has ascribed periodic bursts to have formed the erosion patterns that we see at the edges of land masses near oceans. Ray
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5939 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Cold Foreign Object
sidelined writes: Number 2 what is a vapour canopy and what is the evidence for it? If you were standing on a bridge built over a body of water and looked down whatever you see is the same thing that you would have seen if you looked up before the Flood. Perhaps you would take the time now to answer the actual question of what evidence you have for and the nature of the vapour canopy?
Fountains of the deep are mysterious sources of water beneath the ocean surface Now comes the fun part. How do the fountains of the deep erupt into the atmosphere from beneath the ocean?
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5946 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
cfo writes: Modern geology has ascribed periodic bursts to have formed the erosion patterns that we see at the edges of land masses near oceans. Can you clarify this and provide a reference?
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4146 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
care to explain what happened to all of the energy released as heat from this water kept under the mantle at superheated temperatures?
The flood's biggest physics problem is dealing with the massive amount of heat released in a tiny amount of time.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
On top of the already highly elevated climate from the hothouse created by the "vapor canopy"
Greenhouse gas - Wikipedia
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4146 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
shutup Razd. Goddidit. You and your incessant heat. When in doubt or when we have no argument, Goddidit! It solves everything that bothers our arguments. Goddididt! Too much heat? Goddidit! Where did the water come from? Goddidit! How did Noah get all the animals? Goddidit! Have a problem that those annoying scientists keep pestering you about? Have no fear, it's the Goddidit card! hahahahahaha {Irrelevant blather hidden. Don't do messages like this. All they are is topic clutter. - Adminnemooseus} Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Blather hidden.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1375 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
however there are none I am aware of that speak of a vapour canopy. the "vapour canopy" is unscriptural. the book of genesis (as well as several other scriptures) speak of a solid heaven, outside of which is water. thus, in genesis 6, god opens windows in heaven, and lets the water in. it's just another example of "it means whatever we want it to mean."
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petrophysics1 Inactive Member |
The Egyptians believed the sky to be made of iron. The Babylonians believed it was forged by Marduk from the hardest metal. The Greeks and Romans believed it was made of crystal.
The Hebrew normally translated as "firmament" means something that was beaten or hammered out. The concept shows up in Job and Isaiah as well. What happened to this thing since it appears to have still been around after the flood? "On this point as on many others, the Bible simply reflects the current cosmological ideas and language of the time."CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Firmament
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petrophysics1 Inactive Member |
Fountains of the deep are mysterious sources of water beneath the ocean surface. Modern geology has ascribed periodic bursts to have formed the erosion patterns that we see at the edges of land masses near oceans. Ray 1.What are these erosion patterns? 2.Where exactly are they located? Give me Lat & Long or the exact geographic location. P.S. This is total BS
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1375 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
The Egyptians believed the sky to be made of iron. The Babylonians believed it was forged by Marduk from the hardest metal. The Greeks and Romans believed it was made of crystal. The Hebrew normally translated as "firmament" means something that was beaten or hammered out. The concept shows up in Job and Isaiah as well. it's clear they're talking about the same thing. it was quite a common idea of the universe in that area at that time: a flat (circular) earth, protected by a solid dome, surrounded by water on all sides, and above. it's completely dishonest to take this idea, and pretend it somehow connects (generally through poor understanding) to some magical floating cloud layer that would have made earth something like venus. they're not the same thing, and neither is scientifically accurate in the slightest. it's just that one sounds more plausible than the other, because if there was a solid dome of the heavens... what about all those people who've been in orbit? it's just another attempt to distort the bible and reality so that they match.
What happened to this thing since it appears to have still been around after the flood? maybe the russians broke it with sputnik.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
what is a vapour canopy and what is the evidence for it? The Vapor Canopy theory is seldom used in creationist circles these days. In fact, I think AiG posted an official retraction of their support based on mathematical models that explain how ambient temperatures inside such a canopy would have boiled all of life. Where the VC theory came from was from Genesis, where it talks about the firmament as the "water above the waters." They took this to mean that it might be possible that it used to never rain in the antediluvian world because the vapor canopy, which is supposedly much like the ozone layer, trapped all moisture earth's atmosphere. Accordingly, God caused the canopy to rupture, along with the fountains of the deep, where it subsequently flooded the earth. Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : No reason given. "It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
They took this to mean that it might be possible that it used to never rain in the antediluvian world because the vapor canopy, which is supposedly much like the ozone layer, trapped all moisture earth's atmosphere. That's nothing at all like the ozone layer. But why am I surprised? It is AiG, after all. Asking them to understand even the most basic features of the real world is surely asking too much.
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