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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Don't forget the fountains of the deep as per the Biblical historical record. And where is the evidence that any such things ever existed? What is the model that explains how and why they "erupted?"
There were likely relatively shallow and smaller bodies of water/seas & lakes which had these fountains in them. Please provide the model for a fountain in a body of water?
The water would overflow the lakes/seas and feed the rivers. Please explain the model that provides the mechanism for that phenomenon.
These fountains were also likely in the hills and higher plains which created streams, creeks and rivers. Please explain the model for that. Where is the evidence for the existence of such fountains of the deep? Buz do you have ANY evidence for Any of your unsupported assertions? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I did a bit of online research and found this article on Arctic Oil.
CNN writes: ----------(edited tidbits)
One study by the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) said 25 percent of all untapped reserves in areas known to contain oil are found north of the Arctic Circle. That number could be even higher as the study didn't take into account unexplored regions, which most of the Arctic is. The solution involves heavy reinforcement of rigs or drill ships and using steel that is less brittle, as normal steel can more easily break at temperatures below 20 degrees Fahrenheit, said Alan Spackman, director of offshore technical and regulatory affairs for the International Association for Drilling Contractors. "They're made horrendously strong," said Spackman. "The common rigs working in the Gulf of Mexico wouldn't survive."
Antarctica is shared by all nations, but the Arctic has undefined boundaries. Which, I suppose, could be interpreted as prophetic. The bottom line is that all nations must learn to cooperate if they want that oil. Edited by Phat, : edit
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Btw, have you heard the recent news that an estimated one quarter of the earth's entire oil supply lies underneath Antarctica? Imo, that is supportive to the canopy hypothesis being the oil would be indicative of extensive vegetation and other life. No Buz, that does not support the canopy fiction. First, that is one quarter of the Untapped resources, not "one quarter of the earth's entire oil supply". Second, Antartica has not always been where it is currently and the existing models explain such things without resorting to some imagined vapor canopy. Third, listen to the report again. Does it say Arctic or Antarctic? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4146 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
quote: You keep bringing this up and never provide any evidence for it. Furthermore, you never address the heat problem of releasing trillions of cubic meters of superheated water all at once. You might as well just admit goddidit.
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4146 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
Well Occam's Razor would argue that is the correct answer as it is the least necessarily complicated.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5939 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Nemesis_Juggernaut
They believed that the fountains of the deep, such as huge, cavernous springs, fed the tributaries. Well then, why do they not settle the issue and check out those rivers mentioned in Genesis to locate these "fountains of the deep" and thereby have some actual evidence for their position?
Probably because no one ascribes to it within our resident creationists. You have to remember that the VC theory has been antiquated now for a number of years. Well ICR has these pages still available at their website
http://www.icr.org/... Aig is disputing a vapour canopy of any significant size though they are touting the fountains of the deep angle now. So, if we are to find that the fountains of the deep are a similarly useless theory, do you think that the creationists will admit that they are wrong? I doubt it since the likelihood is that they will claim it a miracle by dint of the fact that it has been shown that the event cannot have occurred and therefore they were right all along anyway. The beauty of having a God is that you do not really need to explain a damn thing eh? Edited by sidelined, : No reason given. Edited by AdminAsgara, : shortened link fixed page width God does not exist until there is proof he does.
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4146 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
quote: Of course. Most of the creationists not used to defending their arguments quickly fall back on Goddidit. Most of the veterans realize this makes them look incredibility stupid and will try, a simple has, to move the discussion away from their sheer lack of any evidence whatsoever to strawmen about science.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Since a river is dependent upon rainfall in order to exist Florida a state in the US has a beautiful river just outside of Ocala that does not require rain to exist. It is called the Silver River and has its beginning with a beautiful spring. Silver Springs State Park – World Famous Glass Bottom Boats "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Just where do you think the water that feeds the spring comes from?
The springs are fed by the Floridian Aquifer as well as several more shallow ones. The Floridian Aquifer is in tern feed by rains further north in Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina and Tennessee. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5939 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Are there no creationists on the sidelines that care to play this contact sport over the vapour canopy issue?Perhaps someone from ICR would care to debate this? I would hate to think that someone has a viable hypothesis that can be checked for compatibility with the laws of physics including the symmetry laws yet withholds making their claim known.
Since the law of the conservation of energy also implies that the laws of physics do not change over time then to say that they do one must also explain how the symmetry laws can change to accommodate this. In doing so please remember that a change in the symmetry laws also changes all other phenomena dependent upon it.Tread carefully. "A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." Albert Einstein
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
the vapor canopy has been raised again ...
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4220 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
I think we are playing musical chairs. I moved the topic which was getting to age of the earth at the recommendation of NosyNed in regards to the topic "Among Scientists, How Broad is Concensus?" when TRV777 got off that topic into age of the earth. no sooner thatn I do that he brings in the vapor canopy as evidence of a young earth. One can't win!!!!
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Peg Member (Idle past 4960 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
I have mentioned the 'water canopy' in another thread. Im not YEC btw.
In Genesis 7:11 the expression "floodgates of the heavens" are both used to refer to the great water canopy that was around the earth in suspension and that is described at Genesis 1:6, 7 as "And God went on to say: "Let an expanse come to be in between the waters and let a dividing occur between the waters and the waters." 7Then God proceeded to make the expanse and to make a division between the waters that should be beneath the expanse and the waters that should be above the expanse." These 'waters' were said to be above the 'expanse'. In Vs 20 the expanse was the area of sky where birds were said to fly. So the water canopy was above the breathable atmosphere...in space.This would have created a hothouse effect and the earth would have had gorgeous warm climate. Moveing along to evidence of a warm climate, when scientist examined Ellesmere Island in Canadas Arctic Nthwest they found evidence that North America and Europe were once connected by a land bridge and that the climate in the area was once swampy and temperate. So lets say the earth was once covered by this canopy as Genesis says, it would certainly explain how the arctic regions were once warm climates.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4220 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Moveing along to evidence of a warm climate, Yeah, about 800F. like super global warming. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
What *is* a vapor canopy?
If it involves suspending gazillions of tons of water vapor in the upper atmosphere that just stay up there and never fall to earth as rain until it's time for the flood, then I think this operates against the reason the idea was proposed in the first place. The vapor canopy was proposed in order to have a scientifically compatible explanation for the origin of the water of the flood. All it really does is replace obvious violations of physical laws (the appearance of a world-flooding amount of water from nowhere) with less obvious violations of physical laws (vapor canopy to heavy to remain in place; if heat suspended the water it would have steamed all life to death; if orbital velocity kept the water in place then friction from the enormous velocity would have turned it to steam when it returned to earth to cause the flood, again steaming all life to death; life unable to survive the crushing atmospheric pressure (100 atmospheres) of so much water somehow suspended above). According to Wikipeda, CSC and Answers in Genesis do not support this idea anymore. It seems silly to discuss it. It was only Trey777 who raised the issue, and the early indications are that he's a loon. --Percy
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