Why did God forgive our sins?

I agree.But mankind would not have a choice.The angels have no choice. They do exactly what they were created to do. Even the devil and his angels.God makes no bones about it He created evil. I agree.And He will in His time.You keep thinking of God as Him being a man limited to time as we know it.God views all of eternity as now. There is no past and no future only now. God sees the creation now. God also sees the end now. God also sees everything in-between now. You want to keep blaming God for man's decisions that God knew in advance. Problem to God it is all happening now to Him. Good question. I wish I had the answer.
I can guess at the answer. I have my ideas of why.
The question comes to my mind, What can you give someone who has everything?God has everything. The entire universe and maybe universes. He has angels that worship Him constantly, that would do anything He asked them to do.There was one thing He did not have. That was somebody, or something that would worship Him, and obey Him because they/it chose to do so.For that reason He created man in His image, and likeness.
He created man with a Spirit, Mind, and a Body. God did not program the human mind. He left that up to us, and depending on what we put in our minds determines what comes out. Like we say about the computer. Garbage in garbage out. Good info in good results.Now I will try to let God answer the question through Paul. I get from what Paul is saying that God wants man to choose to seek after Him and worship Him just because He is God.That is the only thing in His creation He did not have until He created man with that capacity. But the President offered the pardon. Now what if the people between the President and the condemned man did not deliver the offer of the pardon to him. WOULD THAT BE THE PRESIDENTS FAULT?You see there are millions that have heard of the offer and accepted the pardon. Then there are millions that have heard and not accepted the offer of the pardon. (You being one of those) Then there are millions that their ancestors did not accept the offer and did not tell their decedents of the offer. Do not blame God for their choices. I was far from making any assumptions about anything. I was just pointing out for your information that all preachers are not like the ones you see on TV and hear about in the news. Most if not all belong to the devil. This is the biggest misconception concerning God and sin that there is.Mankind has been deluded by the devil and organized religion into believing that his physical actions or inaction's has something to do with his relationship with God.That is the furthest thing from the truth. All mankind was separated from God when the first man disobeyed God and ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Up until that time God walked and talked with mankind just as you can talk to your children.God made a way that relationship could be restored. It has nothing to do with your behavior.It only has to do with your relationship with God. Your children are yours by birth. You could choose to adopt someone else's children and they would become yours by adoption.God provided an adoption plan whereby you could be born again into His family and restore the relationship that mankind had with Him before the first man ate of the forbidden fruit.He has given you and all mankind a choice. I have no need or desire to justify God. That would put me in a position higher than God. I will let God speak to this. But you don't have to be good to go to heaven. You have to only be forgiven. Straggler I came to EvC to learn, and I welcome the opportunity to learn. If I can learn something from you and others here that I can use in my daily quest of helping others then I have accomplished my goal.I deal with people on a daily basis that are hurting, some financially, some from bad relationships, some from bad experiences, some who are drug addicts, some who are drunks, some who believe in God, some who do not believe in God. I truly believe if I am going to help them overcome their problems I need to understand them as well as their problems.My aim is to be a better person today than I remember being yesterday. A memory is all that yesterday is.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

It was not a trick question.There are two kind of people in the world.There are those who are of their father the devil. Then there are Jesus sheep. I said God will interfere in the lives of His children.You have the right and obligation to interfere in the lives of your children.You do not have any right to interfer with your neighbors children.God has no right to interfere in the lives of the children of the devil.If He did interfere that would do away with freewill. You are going to break your legs God just made a way you did not have to break them. The God I worship says I am going to spend eternity in the lake of fire with the devil and his angels because of the choice the first man made.Then He tells me He made a way I don't have to spend eternity in the lake of fire with the devil and his angels.My God tells me all I have to do is believe and trust in Him to escape that fate.I think I like my God better than yours who tells you:ICANT'S God does not exist. The lake of fire does not exist. It is just a myth. You believe him and in the end you share his fate in the lake of fire.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Correction. Only those who are born again are His Children.All others who have reached the point in life the first man and woman did when they ate the fruit and knew good and evil and have not been born again are the children of the devil. During my 15 years in the Cayman Islands I saw two people who came to the Island and had a pistol in their luggage. They did not know it was against the law of the Cayman Island to be in possession of a firearm. They each spent 3 years in jail for their offense. So much for British justice right. I have no reason to believe that people can not accept the idea of God. Some have some pretty good reasons in their mind and I have to respect that. I have friends that do not believe in God that are better people that a lot of people that will be in heaven.Straggler the only difference between a saved person and a lost person is the saved person is forgiven because he has accepted the pardon offered. He is still a sinner just like the lost person. Only if he does not repent and receive the pardon offered.We have degrees of sin. God does not. You have either been born again or you are still a child of the devil as far as God is concerned. If you die a child of the devil you will inherit the same fate as your father the devil. I am a builder. I have built churches, houses, roads and bridges.
Now if I took my material and built a house and I decided to tear it down whose permission would I need. (Permits are not required for demolition where I live).Why does God need our approval or permission to do anything He desires with what was originally His.When we are doing experiments with a bunch of rats, chimps or whatever we don't ask their permission.Why is God unjust if He decides to destroy His creation?
Why is God unjust if He offers you a pardon and you won't receive it?
Why is God unjust if He gave others the responsibility to tell everyone about the pardon and they don't.Now for a bigger question that I have no answer for.Has anyone ever died that had never been given the opportunity to receive the pardon offered by God?I will leave the answer to that question in the hands of a just and righteous God and let Him determine their fate.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

You would be suprised at how close we believe the same thing. We just approach it from different angle's.God is a merciful God. A loving God. He loved me enough to make a way for me to be reunited with Him. He made a way for me to hear His Word. He made a way His Holy Spirit could convict me that I needed to trust Him.I just happened to be open to His offers. Which was my choice.If God could provide all these for me, He can provide them for others.He has provided iano, myself and others to tell you that you need to be born again.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

He and I could have a conversation one day about why you did not make it to heaven. If you never accept the pardon offered to you by God. Why would I need their permission? It is done at least 88 times a minute by the medical profession. You put forth some good argument. But you did not answer the question. Why does God need our approval or permission to do anything He desires with what was originally His?I am not talking about why He does or does not do anything. I am just asking why would He need our permission? You just don't get it do you?God created the first man.
God gave him one rule.
You eat, you die.
The day the man ate he was separated from God.
You are a decendent of that man.
Therefore you are separated from God.
Everyone who is separated from God is ALREADY condemned not by God but by the first man.
God made a way you can overcome what your ancestor did.
The choice is yours. He did get around to point it out to you.
Maybe He will make it so all the others have an opportunity.I will say this you do not deserve another opportunity until they have had one.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Sure I would interfere. But that does not mean I got a right too. Whether He want to or not does not make any difference.
He has given that job to His Church which I happen to be a part of. That is why I am here trying to interfere in your eternal destiny. God will take the devil and cast him into the lake of fire one day and he will never be able to leave his final abode. Neither will any that choose to go with him. Well if Him paying your debt and offering you a free pardon makes Him incompetent and uncaring I guess He is in your mind. I am trying my best to keep you from jumping off that cliff. Why? Is it because I tell you like it is. Jesus died for your sin so you could be reunited with God and not have to spend eternity with the devil in the lake of fire, and all you have to do is accept the pardon offered to you by God.Its your choice.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

When we talk about God being good, just what are we talking about?According to Good Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
Definition of Good=
1 a (1): of a favorable character or tendency
God paid your debt whether you accept it or not.
God offered you a full pardon.
God not only offered that pardon to you but to everyone who will accept it.You use the word just and I have no idea how you want to apply that to God. There is only one definition I can find for one adjective form of just that would fit and that is "legally correct".God is a God of Justice.Justice Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
Justice=
1 a: the maintenance or administration of what is just especially by the impartial adjustment of conflicting claims or the assignment of merited rewards or punishments b: judge c: the administration of law; especially : the establishment or determination of rights according to the rules of law or equity
2 a: the quality of being just, impartial, or fair b (1): the principle or ideal of just dealing or right action (2): conformity to this principle or ideal : righteousness c: the quality of conforming to law
3: conformity to truth, fact, or reason : correctnessFor God to be a God of justice He can not show partiality.Lets examine God's position.God made a law only one law that determined man's relationship with God.
Man was given the consequences of breaking that law.
Man broke that law.
God imposed the sentence for the crime and separated Himself from man.
God in His goodness did not think it fair that all mankind be doomed to the devils fate because of the disobedience of one man.
Therefore God made a way man could receive a reprieve from the penalty of that sin.
God offered mankind a free full pardon and paid for it Himself.
God set up a method for the news of that pardon to be spread to the world.
It has been spread and is being spread.As I have said I lived in the Cayman Islands for 15 years and came in contact with people from all over the world. I met people from England, Scotland, Ireland, the Caribbean countries, the south American countries Canada and the US. Out of all the hundreds of thousands of people I have met NONE of them had never heard of God.
Many of them did not believe in God, but they had heard of Him.Now my question to you is, how can God be a God of justice if He waves the rule for ONE person?The law was broken, and mankind was separated from God.
God made a way man could be reunited to God.
The rule has always been the same it was just approached differently in the OT days than it is in the NT times.Man must believe God and receive the pardon offered.If God lifts that requirement for one person He ceases to be a God of Justice.If God forgives anyone's sins it will be because they have accepted God's pardon on His terms.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Correction His children are already saved. They have been born into His family.God does the saving. God supplies everything His children needs. So God is lazy if He doesn't come down to your house beat you over the head hold you up over the sun and let you get a taste of the lake of fire and make you accept His offer of the full free pardon.Don't hold your breath for that to happen. What are you griping about God made a way for mankind to receive a full free pardon that He paid for Himself and does not require man to do anything but accept it.He did not have to do that. Man had his chance.Why should God give him another? But He did. I Don't.But then everybody is not looking through your eyes and mindset.Many still see God as the one providing a way for them to be reunited with Him for eternity. Especially since He made it so easy.
He could have given us hundreds even thousands laws and said if you break one of them you won't make it.He gave one "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

I will clarify:All mankind is a child of the devil.
A person when is born is protected by God until they reach the age they know good and evil as the first man in the garden when he ate the fruit.
At that point they become accountable for themself.
Anyone dying after this point in life without receiving the free full pardon offered by God will spend eternity in the lake of fire.
You are wanting God to interfer with peoples lives in order for them to be saved.
I said that job was delegated to the Church. Not the phoney churches.
So today it is the job of the New Testament Church to preach the gospel and the Holy Spirit convicts man of his need for salvation at which point he can receive or reject God's offer.Now it does not matter whether I like the plan or not. That is God's plan today. You don't have to like it either but neither one of us can change it. I do not find the word saved anywhere in that conservation.I find where the man wanted to know what he had to do to inherit eternal life.No one will inherit eternal life. It is a gift of God.You want to try to earn it have fun.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Straggler,I am not going to reply to any of this message and I will explain why.Last Sunday we had a young lady visit our church I would say she is about 25. She brought her 3 children to Sunday School (Bible Lesson)
and stayed for Church. She came back Sunday Night and brought her husband along with the kids.Her and the kids came again today and tonight she brought her husband.I asked her why she came to church as I was interested in finding out her reasons for attending.Her answer was I felt like I needed to go and take the children.I asked have you been to Church before she said no my mom and dad did not believe in God and never took me to Church or sent me and last Sunday was the first time I have ever been in Church.I asked why did you come to our Church and she said I knew where the Church was and something just told me that was where I needed to go.So in light of all that Maybe God does have a way of conveying to people what they need to do.But it is still the Church's job to preach the gospel and let the Holy Spirit convict mankind.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Had the man been able to do what Jesus said I am sure He would have honored his Word.But people had been trying to inherit eternal life for several thousand years and was not able to do so.BTW Inherit and gaining is two different words also. The man in the garden had one rule, don't eat, if you eat you die.
He did not need to know good from evil.If you will examine what I said you will see that I stated that the child was protected until he came to know good and evil as the man in the garden WHEN HE ATE THE FRUIT.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Had the man been able to do what Jesus said I am sure He would have honored his Word.But people had been trying to inherit eternal life for several thousand years and was not able to do so.BTW Inherit and gaining is two different words also. The man in the garden had one rule, don't eat, if you eat you die.
He did not need to know good from evil.If you will examine what I said you will see that I stated that the child was protected until he came to know good and evil as the man in the garden WHEN HE ATE THE FRUIT.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

That is not what he wanted. He wanted to inherit eternal life. Inherit means to come into posession as a right or divine portion.He wanted to be saved just like you do if God exists. You want God to save you just because you think He created you and owes it to you as a divine right or obligation on God's part.Man is not saved that way.God does not owe you or anyone anything.He provided a way man can receive a free full pardon.If you don't want it you don't have to take it. Your choice. Eternal life is a free gift.You can't buy it or earn it.But I am sure if he could have met the qualifications Jesus put to him he would have honored His Word.God Bless,Edited by ICANT, : No reason given.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

That is truly a terrible condition, and waste of resources.Problem is we are not all right. In fact most would disagree with me.All who do not believe in being born again by the grace of God through faith without works.That is problably 90% of religion disagree with me.But even many of those who disagree with me God uses them to spread the word. I gave you an example of what happened. God took care of that situation and I am sure He takes care of all others the same way so there is nothing to talk about that subject.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi caldron68, But God did create a sinless man.God placed him in a beautiful paradise.But God made that man with the ability to choose.God gave the man one rule.Man chose to disobey.That man just like you had a choice.You can choose to obey and accept a free full pardon from God or you can choose to not accept that pardon. The decision is yours. So don't blame the first man or God for your decision.Neither can you or any of those who made the wrong decision blame God for their decision.Well I guess you could because you already have. Actually He created a system in which He allowed man to choose how much joy or misery there would be.Everyone can choose to believe and trust in God.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."