Gender and Humor

I don't really agree. Hitchens over-analyzed this to death, which doesn't surprise me because he tends to view everything with Darwinian glasses. Look at the movie "The Sweetest Thing." Those are all girls who value comedy in their lives and none of them are either "ugly," "dyke," "Jewish?", or "Butch."He's just painting with a large brush. Tracy Ulmann has spent her entire life in comedy and she's neither of those caricatures either. Yeah she is, not to mention obnoxious. I can't stand her or Garafolo. It's a real turn-off to hear political activism in the middle of a set. Nobody fucking cares what your politics are. Just make me laugh, bitch, that's your job. If I wanted political commentary I'd watch C-SPAN, thanks. My only criticism with Carey is that sometimes he tries so hard to be funny he ends up not being funny. I went in to that movie with skepticism. People blew it up too much by saying it was on the level of Old School (probably in my top 3 best comedies of all time), so that by the time I saw the movie it was a huge let down. It was hyped up too much. And then I saw it a second time and have concluded that it has the potential to be at least in the top 10 for sure.And now the Doug Song is my ringtone Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

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"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." -- Charlton Heston

Applegate as a clear sense of humor and I thought she was funny in that movie. Diaz just has a bubbly attitude, and Blair, well, nevermind. I just think these caricatures aren't valid. Lucille Ball for her time was a riot. Sure, by today's standards we wouldn't laugh as hard because we might view it as dated and cheesy, but she has true comedic talent. And she's not a bull-dyke or ugly.Pretty much all the girls cast on MAD or SNL, with a few exceptions, are all funny. Would I say that females tend to worse comics than men in general? Yes, I would. But that women can't be funny is of course absurd. Agreed. I once liked her and Cho, but no longer. You hit the nail on the head. I can't stand either of them. I agree, it takes a subtlty that I can't quite identify and put in to words, but somehow when Hicks did it it didn't sound as genuinely spiteful, which is in contrast to Maher and Miller. That sounds strange because he's an overtly brash comic, but I didn't feel condenscended the way I do with Garafolo, Miller, and Maher. I'm happy for him in being able to branch out and not be typecasted as a goofball in every movie. His sense of comedy is genuine and he's usually funny, just sometimes overdone.

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And now the Doug Song is my ringtone

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"And if he's been murdered by Crystal Meth tweekerrrrrrrssss..... Well, then we're shit out of luck."One thing I've noticed with comics in general (not always the case) is that they are people driven by the approval of others. If you watch the first season of Last Comic Standing, Dat Phan tried so hard that he failed. And while he made me laugh, he should NOT have won that thing, ESPECIALLY when he recycled the same routine every show. He played for a new audience each show, so he got away with it, but the other comics were like, "Oh, for fuck's sake, are you serious?!?!?"There is only so much you can use self-deprecating humor before it wears thin. Yeah, if you're the fat guy, it's funny to hear you make fun of yourself once or twice in a set. If you're the Asian guy it is funny to hear you exaggerate an accent, once or twice. But not in every routine. It's a played out schtick and it looks desperate, like you don't actually have any real material.And then there's Carlos Mencia (MenStealia) who's the biggest hack in show-business. The man jacked Ari Shaffir, Joe Rogan, even Bill Cosby. No respect.Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

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"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." -- Charlton Heston

Here's my two fucking cents... Don't spend it all in one place. Oni is painting with an awfully big brush, but makes a good point here. Sure, I like to hang out with women too because some of them are not annoying as fuck (at least not immediately). Some of my friend's wives or girlfriend's are really cool too. I like most of them.I also have female friends who are strictly platonic. That said, there is almost always sexual tension between a man and a woman. It is biological and we can't do shit to stop that except be gay, and there isn't much choice in that.I keep my female friends at a distance because the reality is that even though in my brain I have no need or want to fuck them, if I'm around them long enough my libido has no compunction with doing the deed. So why even place myself in a compromising situation if I can avoid it?Also, there is no way in hell that hanging out with your chick friends is more fun than hanging out with your boys. I don't mean your acquaintences, I mean your tried and true boys.It's like a unicorn, it just doesn't exist.Anyway, this is getting off-topic. Women can be hysterical, but in general they aren't as funny as men. Case closed.

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"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." -- Charlton Heston

Attraction isn't solely in physical features, it's also in attitude and and emotion.There are a lot of "Butter faces" around (don't know if you've heard that colloquial before). A Butter Face is a chick where everything is good BUT HER FACE. In other words she has a smoking body, but her face looks like it got in to a fight with a lawnmower. I'm sure there are plenty of men that fit that category.But I tend to agree with you more than anyone else on the subject. If looks are all you've got, sorry but that isn't enough to be in a relationship with someone. First of all, looks are constantly depreciating with age. But even if they weren't, it's just not enough.The reality is, sometimes a person's attitude, sense of humor, disposition, etc makes them more attractive. I'm from Miami and L.A. There are an incalculable number of nice things to look at in those cities, but if she's got nothing going on upstairs, and she's in to shallow, materialistic bullshit, then I'll reciprocate and treat her like a walking vagina. People don't know what they want. Some men and women find each other somehow and it effortlessly works because they're that compatible. But most people live a life of quiet desperation where they're neither satisfied in relationships or being single. At some point they pine over the other and go in and out of cycles of shallow relationships to mindless hedonism... And then they die. The end.Wow, how macabre!

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"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." -- Charlton Heston

I'm importing that to the United States. Too funny not to!Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

This lady is apparently too weak to live with the freedom of speech. She reduced herself to a child.

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"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." -- Charlton Heston

That's his prerogative though, and the audience will decide if his jokes are amusing or if they're misogynist. To each his own. Some people find it amusing and others find it derogatory. Even if he was, he's the one that has to deal with it. He has the right to say it, you have the right to be offended by it, and we have the right to laugh at it. This ultimately boils down to a difference of opinion, so live and let live. Then we have quite the dilemma as it sets a precedence of legitimizing censorship. We all are the audience. Your sole opinion doesn't encapsulate the entirety of "the audience." Whatever backlash the comic receives for a shitty skit will be on his/her head. They will have to come to the inescapable conclusion that the audience either does or does not find it amusing. But that is for him to decide based on their reactions, not up to some hysterical finger wagging woman. Who made you the arbiter? That's your opinion, just like it's my opinion that you're a melodramatic theater hag. Says the narcissist. Yes, they do. But woe to those who sacrifice lambs on the alter of political correctness. The audience is allowed to be offended, and the comic is allowed to tell what is a shitty stand-up bit to some and hilarious to others.

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"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." -- Charlton Heston

One would have to ask if that comedian actually ascribes to it in real life. Comedy is not real life. Satire is just that.... Satirical. That would be like saying there should be some moral imperative about violence attached to the Three Stooges. Were the Stooges endorsing violence or is it just comedy?If you recognize that kind of comedy, then why the double standard? I'm not defending the joke, I'm defending a person's right to say it. I'm protesting the woman who wants to muzzle people. She has every right to say what she wants, but has no right to stop people from saying what they want to say just because it offends her delicate sensibilities. People like that are too weak to live with freedom. The whole point of that clip was stopping people from saying what they want. THAT censorship... I said it before and I'll say it again, protesting is fine. My point is that this ultimately comes down to mere opinion, right? So why are you speaking for everybody? I said that people should be allowed the choice to say whatever they want and that they have to deal with the consequences. Why don't you back up and read it again. What status might that be? Because your tone sounds egotistical. I'd LOVE to see your work. Why don't you post some of it in here so we can see your legendary status. Um, I never once mentioned your dick, whatsoever. Please show me where I did. From where I'm sitting you're the one who seems obsessed with that deep dicking. Color me not suprised. Re-living old fantasies with daddy during shower time, I see. Aye, que lindo! The entirety of damn near everything you say is a slew of moronic epithets. You've managed to burn every bridge you've walked across because you're perpetually pissed off at everything anyone ever says. I agree, it is misogynistic. The only real question then is whether the person telling the jokes actually ascribes to misogyny or whether they weren't just, you know, telling a fucking joke! You do understand the difference between comedy and real life, don't you?And even then a person has the right to be misogynistic pricks if they want to. They'll just have to suffer the consequences. So let them. That's my point.

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"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." -- Charlton Heston

Your post is incredibly long, so I'll try and cut to the chase to your mental breakdown.

By muzzling her. How amazingly hypocritical of you.

Nonsense. I'm not muzzling her, I'm protesting her. She wants to get certain things taken off the air (that's censorship). Me saying that she's a stupid bitch for it is not censorship. If you can't see the critical difference then you're part of the problem.

Are you saying that if her response is respected enough that there shouldn't be any consequences for the comedian?

Modulous said it best, so I will parrot what he's said. I see this in sort of free market terms. We don't need the government intervening and threatening speech, when the market (the audience) will decide what is appropriate and what is not. If people don't like what he is saying, they will protest, just as you are. His career demands that people laugh at his jokes. If they find his material offensive, he will have to censor himself since he'll lose his fanbase. That's the consequence, without your (government) interference. Self-censorship is the only acceptable and just form of censorship.

How nice of you to recognize the censorship. So where is your denigration of him as "too weak to live with freedom"? You don't give a flying fuck about "censorship." You want the ability to be a sexist bigot without any response.

What an idiotic remark. You have no clue what censorship is, do you? Protesting is NOT censorship. Protesting IS speech. The CRITICAL DIFFERENCE (pay attention) is that she wants to take him off the air so that no one has the ability to hear what he has to say. THAT'S censorship. If you can't understand that simple principle, then you have no business masquerading yourself as a friend of Free Speech. You're as tyrannical as she is, too weak to handle freedom.You don't like what he said? Change the fucking channel...

I am simply pointing out that she has just as much right to try and convince the world that his idea is inappropriate and unacceptable as he does in trying to convince the world that it is funny and doesn't have the effect it is being accused of having.

Persuading people that his jokes are misogynistic is protesting. She crossed the threshold when she wanted to censor his material.

Let's not play dumb. Just because the word "dick" did not escape your lips doesn't mean you were not making reference to my sexuality.

Utter horseshit! Show me the reference I made about your sexuality before you starting talking about your dick. Are you out of your mind???

but I knew that if I chose a phrase that referenced a penis, you'd immediately accuse me of being gay. For someone who claims to not care, you seem to spend an awful lot of time obsessing about what I do with my dick.

What.... the..... fuck.... are...... you....... talking..... about??? Are you out of your fucking mind??? Where do you come up with this shit??? I'm seriously flabbergasted... I don't even know what to say, this is so off the wall insane.

Prove me wrong: Show that you can respond to me without bringing up sexuality.

Prove to me that you can! This isn't the first time you've mentioned your cock in an argument COMPLETELY unsolicited, and then falsely accused others of being obsessed. WTF?!?!? I think the obsession is all on your side of the table. Look, if you like to slam dudes in the ass, I really don't care. If you like big, fat, hairy chicks, I don't care. If you like midget tossing, I don't care. You really seem to have some repressed sexuality. You might want to go to the headshrinker for that, because it's clearly a huge source of discontent for you.

You want them to be able to say whatever they want without any consequences for doing so.

How many times must I repeat that consequences are fine and dandy? My sole problem is that she wants to censor people from saying what they want. I'm not talking about her protesting. I'm talking about her trying to take away the right of people to say what they want. You have the right to be offended, and so does she. What you, her, the Gestapo, and the rest of the Thought Police don't have a right to do in this fucking country, is muzzle people.So do yourself a favor. Be offended all day long. Have a fucking cry about it for all I care. But don't censor people.

You talk a good game about being against censorship but then immediately say that the person speaking against the comedian needs to be silent.

Pure bullshit. Show me where I'm trying to make her silent.The scary part is that you actually believe the bullshit that comes out of your mouth. That's the scariest part. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

There is a "line" where things stop being funny, but that line is subjective and different for everyone. What absolutely offends Rrhain might make me roll on the ground laughing, or vice versa.

I completely agree. I've been offended by jokes before too, but not to the point where I was going to take up action against them. I think where the lady in the video and I part ways is what she would like to do in light of the off-color remarks. She wants to censor this guy from ever being able to say it altogether.It's not only unconstitutional, but it is unnecessary. Take for example Kramer from Seinfeld (I'm struggling to remember his real name). He went ballistic one night, carrying on and on about blacks. I thought it was horrible just like most people. He wasn't even making jokes at that point. He was just drunk and started standing on his soapbox. And for his pathetic tirade, he paid for it.We don't need the government's involvement. He just committed career suicide. Those are the consequences that Rrhain refuses to even acknowledge.For him, the PC police need to show up and shut him down, and presumably throw him in a gulag for his crimes against humanity (obvious hyperbole, but you get the idea). Preserve speech, and let the audience decide what is funny and what is distasteful. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

Yes, words evolve quite a bit. The words "fag" and "gay" has many modern connotations now or days. It used be solely reserved for homosexuals, but with the increase of homosexual tolerance, now it means much more. If someone says, "stop being such a fag," he likely isn't telling him to stop being a homosexual. In fact, he probably doesn't mean to be derrogatory towards homosexuals at all. What he really means is, "stop being such a pussy" (another word that has many connotations)Another phrase, "that's so gay," doesn't mean "that reminds me of homosexuals," it likely means "that's so lame." Some people, to not disparage homosexuals while still realizing the relevance of the modern phrasing, substitute "gay" with "ghey." So if you want to say that's so lame, you can say that's so ghey, instead of insulting homosexuals.And then you have the fags (losers, not homosexuals) that are still offended by even that. Fucking pussies. It's ironic. I think the thing that offends me the most are people who are too easily offended. Irony knows no bounds!

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal