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Wow, someone's angry at Apple for some reason, it seems.
dwise1 writes:
You could've swiped through them?
For one thing, I never ever saw the home screen on that iPad, so how the frak could I tell what was on it? All I ever saw it being used for was playing games and fiddling with a graphics app that would take your picture and mess it all up in twisty-twirly ways. Yeah, real productive stuff. Hardly representative of what one would hope that it could do.
That's because it's not representative of what it can do. It can be productive, if you use the right apps.
I have Maps on my phone and I use it all the time. Never use the Directions menu option, though, since I know how to read a map (though it just draws a line on the map instead of giving you the standard long verbal list of where to turn). But as I said, I had no way of knowing whether it was on that device, which is now 3000 miles distant from me so I still can't see its home screen, nor would I have been likely to have thought of directions on Maps since I don't need directions given a map.
You might not, but you can't fault a device for not being able to give you the distance between two points, when in fact it is perfectly capable of doing so, just because you didn't spot the app on it's homescreen.
Bottom line is still that they had to cripple (ie, remove capabilities) and dumb-down Google Earth for it to work on an iPad.
I don't know about cripple, but yes, they took out a lot of functionality, and that's a shame really.
I wouldn't expect them to be exactly like what they replace. However, I would expect them to be able to perform all the same tasks of what they replace.
Well, if you want to be able to do everything you can do on a PC, I guess the device for you is a PC. Of course it can't do everything a PC can, a PC is far more powerful than a tablet. It all depends on what you use the device for. If all you ever do on a PC is browse, mail, social network thingies and some light games, you might consider getting an iPad or android tablet, because basically, you're wasting the power of the PC on that.
So, can the iPad perform all the tasks of PCs?
No. And I don't know anyone that claims it can. It would be stupid, since PCs can be much more powerful than an iPad.
Good. And hopefully they can also connect to real computers and not just Macs.
Macs are real computers. But yes, They work on windows machines as well. However, the iTunes is always there, watching everything you do, plotting your downfall.... ;P
Which points us towards the real role of these devices. Not as replacements for PCs, but rather as supplements to PCs. They have nowhere near the capabilities of a PC, but they have far greater mobility and longer battery life (I assume, given that a good laptop battery is only good for a few hours; my six-year-old laptop is down to zero seconds). You can load text files onto them and then away from your desk you can read files with reference data (eg, data formats or whatever). And you can work on your files and documents while away from your desk, though to compile anything you'd have to load them back into your PC. Basically, that's what I have been using my Palm Pilot for for years and my smartphone was supposed to replace that functionality, which it can but it's much more clumsy about it than the Pilot.
Not as a replacement for all PCs. Some PCs it can replace just fine, as can android tabs, by the way.
iPads can be useful in their own ways, but not as replacements for PCs. Touchpads are very easy to use and, when I'm given a choice between using the touchpad or a mouse, more often than not my hand goes straight to the touchpad. Though for precision graphics work, nothing beats a trackball, except maybe a graphics pad (I've only used mice, touchpads, and trackballs, so that's as far as my personal experience goes in this matter).
You'll really like Apple's Magic Trackpad ("magic"? Really Apple?). I've heard it's very good. Probably won't work on a windows PC though, damn Apple. If only you had a MAC.
This introduces a point I will develop more down below: having to search through menu options for discover how to do something is one thing, but having to know secret handshakes to do something is entirely different. Having to know a secret handshake should not be required and only serves the purpose of secret handshakes: to exclude everybody else who's not an insider.
I don't know about that. I've always worked with MACs with two button mice. Also, I knew about the "secret handshake" from the moment I started using MAC OS. You know, I'm a "push all buttons" kinda guy, which is how I found out. Not that I use MAC OS alot, I'm usually a windows guy. But I can imagine it being a bit frustating when not used to one button mice and not being a "push all buttons" kinda guy.
Aye, as well it should have. But it didn't. That's the point.
No idea what caused this, but I've never had a doubleclick not open a folder.
And yet the proof of the pudding is in the eating. This brand-new and high-end Mac knew absolutely nothing about AVI files. It does not matter one whit what an army of experts say that a computer should be able to do; the computer itself is the final arbiter on what it will and will not do. And this Mac said that it knew nothing about AVI files. Final word; case closed.
Just like windows doesn't play some formats without the proper codecs. Just install VLC player and play everything you want, on both MAC and Windows PCs.
Oh yeah, I'm just an old fart who knows nothing about computers.
That's not what he said, and you clearly know a great deal about some computer prgrams, and programming in general. However, you don't seem to have that "experiment to find out" mentality that a lot of young(er) folk have when it comes to computers. Trust me, both MAC OSx and Windows work just fine, you just have to learn to use both of them. I could support you a bit on iOS though, that's a bit too restrictive for my personal liking, but hey, to each his own, right?
{long story}
And yet, you complain when it doesn't do something very specific the way you want it to act. And that was all done by this here old fart who doesn't "know anything about computers except how to use them in very specific, very circumscribed ways." [sarcasm]Yeah, right![/sarcasm] In any case, just becasue an OS is different, doesn't mean it's bad. MAC OSx and Windows both work fine, they're jut a bit different. I know, I've worked with both. And while I prefer Windows (but that's mainly because I like to game on my PC as well), I could probably do everything else on MAC OSx as well.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Taz writes:
Oi! I'm 29, and I'm not old! First of all guys (this is to all of you), I'm almost 30 so I'm getting too old to keep up with you youngsters.
Didn't you know that apple advertises the ipad and ipad 2 as nothing but very expensive cool looking toys?
Yeah they do, idiots.
At where I work, the guys all have ipad 2s. And they continually tell me I wasted my money by buying the transformer rather than the ipad 2. But when they had to do any real work, they would put away their ipad 2s and take out their laptops. For me, I just plug my transformer into my keyboard dock and work from there.
I don't know about the transformer (never worked with it), but couldn't they just as easily use a bluetooth keyboard? Although I guess the 500 gigs of extra space you soldered into it might be an advantage. Tell them to jailbreak the iPad, they can use the camera connection kit to plug in a portable hard drive, as long as they have an external power source nearby.
I have not touched my laptop for 4 months now. I either use my desktop at home or when I'm out of the house I use my transformer. It is probably the most productive post-pc device out there.
What makes this one more productive than a jailbroken iPad with a bluetooth keyboard and a portable HD inserted into it's camera connection kit? Has it got some apps the iPad hasn't? I don't know, I haven't had the fortune of working with a Honeycomb tablet yet. If it really is that much better at this stuff, I might just get it and sell my iPad.
Hear that, apple users? Until apple stop this bullshit about very expensive toys that aren't useful, I will continue to be anti-apple. Tell Steve Jobs to stop advertising the tablet pc as very expensive toys and I'll support apple. In the mean time, I will continue to not use apple products.
Why care so much about how a product is marketed?
PS - It is not a coincidence that almost all apple users I know are also computer illiterates.
Not in my experience, but some are. You should see some of the wondows users where I work though. I have to change their screen resolution for them (and lots of other things, of course), even after I explained to them how to do it.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Taz writes:
Hmm yes, I see your point. It's a far more compact package that way.
You answered your own question. I have 1 thing to carry around that has a touch screen, 98% full size keyboard, 2 usb, a micro sd, full size sdcard slot, an hdmi out, and a 500 GB hard drive, all in one package. This is not to mention the 16 hr battery that I have. To achieve the same thing with the ipad or ipad 2, you need to carry around a separate bluetooth keyboard, an external hard drive, a charger, and that $40 hdmi adapter for the ipad 2. Oh wait, there's no usb slot at all for the ipad or ipad 2 so you can't even use an external hard drive. And there's no possibility of micro sd or sdcard expansion.
There is with the camera connection kit. But yes, Apple's stupid that way. Give me that USB port already, Steve!
Are you a fanboy? I've found that fanboys will try everything they can to put down everyone else's devices.
No, I'm not, which you can tell from me not putting down your device. I was simply interested in what you think the advantages were over an iPad 2. And you've made that clear, it's really an all in one package, whereas with the iPad, thanks to Apple wanting to restrict everything, you need a buttload of extra shit to reach that level of productivity.
Take my experience, for example. I was sitting on the train minding my own business when an ipad 2 owner sat down next to me. He promptly asked me which ipad I had and I said it's not an ipad it's a transformer. He then said, and I swear on my mother's grave, "oh, you have an imitation".
Did you punch him? He deserved it. If there's one thing I hate about Apple products it's that everyone thinks I'm a douche when using them.
Because there's a lot of potential with the ipad and ipad 2. And I care deeply about my fellow man. Apple is dumbing down the population by making everyone think their $500 device is nothing more than a toy.
Ok, fair enough. BUt if they'd market it as somehing other than fun, they probably wouldn't sell as much of them. Don't blame the marketing, blame the people for being easily distracted by shiny things.
Well, I've known some pretty dumb windows users, too. But I have never known an apple user in my life that knows half the things I know, and I consider myself a dummy in the tech world.
Well, perhaps if you knew nothing but Apple. Yeah I could see that happening.
This weekend, I plan on installing ubuntu and dual boot with honeycomb in my transformer.
Well, that would completely make it an awesome device.
Take that, apple fanboy
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
dwise1 writes:
I never understood that going ga-ga over their new toys either. I mean seriously, they're just devices people, calm the fuck down. And if it's not for you it's not for you, fair enough.
Well, when almost all my experiences with a Mac and with Apple software have been frustrating, compounded by poor support ... . Not angry at Apple. I just know better than to go all ga-ga over their newest toys. Besides which what they have to offer is not what I seek. Also, this topic started with the idea of iPads and the like replacing PCs. They are obviously not able to replace PCs. They can augment PCs and be used as a substitute for some activities, but there are too many jobs that they simply cannot perform, so they will not replace PCs. A future form of a pad might eventually be able to do that, but not the present-day ones.
Well, Like I said, they might replace some PCs. Sure, for work related purposes, the PC will probably be around for a bit longer, but for home use (depending on what that home use is), I can see them replacing PCs. Android tablets as well though, it's not like this is an exclusive iPad feat.
Also, I never got a chance to even touch my niece's iPad, so there was no way I could have possibly swiped through anything on it. Either my great-nephew was playing with it or my niece was downloading Google Earth and trying to work with it. I never had any way of knowing whether Maps was on it or not.
Ok, fair enough. That just shows that you should always try stuff out for yourself before you criticize it.
I feel fully justifying in faulting that pared-down shadow of a Google Earth for not being able to calculate distances as a full version can. But since I had no way of knowing what other apps may or may not have been loaded on that thing, shouldn't you be faulting my niece, whose iPad it was, for not realizing that another app on the thing could have done the job? Assuming that app was there, of course.
Hmm, you know what, I should. Your niece is dumb. By the way, it comes pre-loaded on every iPad, and cannot be uninstalled, so yes, it was there.
So you're a "push all the buttons" kind'a guy, huh? Ever try that on an Apple II? One of those buttons was the power button, right up there in the upper-right corner. Ever push that one when you didn't mean to?
Never worked with an Apple II, like I said I'm 29, that was a bit before my time. In any case, I hope it was clearly marked "power" or something, in which case I would not have pushed it. 
It wasn't my computer and the class wanted it displayed right now. I ended up playing it back on my camera with everybody having to crowd around.
Well, ok. it is pretty stupid that it didn't recognize one of the most common video files. I'll give you that much.
Even though I have repeatedly pointed out that that is a mischaracterization? I have indeed gone into several different operating systems and had to explore around and experiment to find out how to use them. I could even figure out how to perform non-trivial tasks on an iMac which fortunately had a two-button mouse (which in my experience is an extremely rare thing to find attached to a Mac). But Apple software seems to have its own little way of doing things that just defies logic.
Ok, that's your experience, it's nothing like mine. Guess we'll just have to disagree here. Again, if it's not your thing it's not your thing.
Which is quite true. Though there's also the question of why?. What does the Mac have to offer me to make that effort? I honestly cannot think of a single thing that I would want to be able to do on a Mac that I couldn't also do better on a PC. The only possible motivation I can think of would be to be prepared for that dreaded occasion where I would be require to do something on a Mac.
Other than "it looks shiny" and "look at me I'm so hip". No idea. That said, it's not as if MAC OSx isn't at least just as good (in my experience). But of course, it's not like I do something like programming on a computer.
No, my problem is when it just plain doesn't work. I know what task I need to accomplish. If I cannot accomplish it with a particular tool, then that's not the right tool for the job. And if one tool is far more unwieldy than another, then I don't have any use for that unwieldy tool, unless there is no other alternative.
Ah I see. Well ok, again, if it's not your thing it's not your thing.
Except where one of them does not work, period. Again, if a tool cannot do the job, then that is not the right tool for the job. And if one tool is more unwieldy than another, it's the unwieldy tool that will not be used.
In my experience they're both just fine. Perhaps there are situations in which Windows is superior, I just haven't found them yet. And for everyday use, they're both perfectly capable of doing the same things. The only downside to a MAC is it's price, and the fact that you can't really game on it.
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Percy writes:
Yes, the reason is that it has a lot of android features now.... Why did I want IOS 5 again? There was a good reason, right?
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