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Theodoric
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Message 301 of 759 (653664)
02-23-2012 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 299 by Artemis Entreri
02-23-2012 11:15 AM


Re: Grow up
you don't either.
everything you accuse me of you are also guilty of,
Have you actually resorted to the rubber and glue argument?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 302 of 759 (653667)
02-23-2012 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 301 by Theodoric
02-23-2012 12:50 PM


Re: Grow up
Have you actually resorted to the rubber and glue argument?
AKA, "I know you are but what am I?"

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Theodoric
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Message 303 of 759 (653672)
02-23-2012 2:11 PM
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02-23-2012 12:56 PM


Re: Grow up
AKA, "I know you are but what am I?"
Ahh yes. The acclaimed Pee-wee Herman gambit.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Taz
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Message 304 of 759 (653677)
02-23-2012 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 297 by onifre
02-20-2012 10:37 AM


Apologies. I work with a Mexican guy who's also homophobic. We're really good friends, though. He often jokes to me that I'm gay, thinking that would hit a nerve. I'm pretty masculine in real life, so he keeps joking about it trying to offend me. In turn, I keep mentioning immigration office trying to offend him. I guess after a while it's become a normal exchange between us, kind of like saying "how ya doing". One would also have to consider my past. I'm an ex cop, and my friend looks very much like the stereotypical Mexican gansta. He even carries a pocket knife around. So, we often joke about me being the good guy and him being the Mexican gansta.
Anyway, you just remind me of him that's all. I think I drew the connection where he's both hispanic and a comedian... or he tries to be.
Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 305 of 759 (653829)
02-24-2012 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 292 by Taz
02-19-2012 2:03 PM


And I repeat. So far not a single state has voted by majority to allow gay marriage.
Maryland.
So there.

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Message 306 of 759 (653885)
02-25-2012 9:00 AM
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02-24-2012 5:15 PM


Dr.Adequate writes:
Maryland
I don't think Maryland meets Taz requirement, which as I understand it means confirmation of gay marriage allowing laws by popular vote. There have been several states where the legislature has enacted laws like the one in Maryland. I'm not aware of any cases where such laws have passed a public referendum.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

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Theodoric
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Message 307 of 759 (653897)
02-25-2012 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 306 by NoNukes
02-25-2012 9:00 AM


I'm not aware of any cases where such laws have passed a public referendum.
So why have legislatures if the only laws that matter are referendums. Taz's whole argument is ridiculous. Are we to have a plebiscite on everything?
How about we just have a dictatorship of the majority? Just throw the Federal and State Constitutions out the window. This whole idea of needing a majority of people vote for something i order for it to be legit is asinine.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 308 of 759 (654043)
02-26-2012 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 307 by Theodoric
02-25-2012 10:20 AM


So why have legislatures if the only laws that matter are referendums. Taz's whole argument is ridiculous. Are we to have a plebiscite on everything?
On the other hand, if gay marriage legislation is often followed by referendums to overturn the new laws, then Taz's point isn't really moot is it?
ABE:
As for state constitutions, here in NC, voters have amended the state constitution so that gay marriage legislation can never be enacted, and are considering extending the prohibition to civil unions.
ABE: off
I agree that parts of Taz's arguments are ridiculous. But in any event, I think a rebuttal should be on target, and I don't think Dr. A's response was on target.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

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Taz
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Message 309 of 759 (654089)
02-26-2012 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 307 by Theodoric
02-25-2012 10:20 AM


Is this for real? Do you not see the significance of gay marriage failing every time it was put up for a popular vote?
Replace gay marriage with interracial marriage, women's right to vote, or any number of other human right issue and the press, the politicians, you liberal commies, and just about every other public figure would be mortified if popular vote turns it down. That's the significance.

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Message 310 of 759 (654090)
02-26-2012 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 309 by Taz
02-26-2012 8:30 PM


I don't want you voting on my rights either.
Interracial marriage and women's suffrage never won a popular vote, and might not now.
Our nation is protected from the tyranny of a majority.
So what?

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Theodoric
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Message 311 of 759 (654091)
02-26-2012 8:41 PM
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02-26-2012 8:30 PM


Is this for real? Do you not see the significance of gay marriage failing every time it was put up for a popular vote?
I guess i do not. How about you spell it out for me.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 312 of 759 (654094)
02-26-2012 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 310 by Omnivorous
02-26-2012 8:36 PM


Re: I don't want you voting on my rights either.
I don't think so. Interracial marriage and women's suffrage if put up for a popular vote now will win overwhelmingly, IMHO.

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Omnivorous
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Message 313 of 759 (654097)
02-26-2012 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 312 by Taz
02-26-2012 8:54 PM


Re: I don't want you voting on my rights either.
Taz writes:
Interracial marriage and women's suffrage if put up for a popular vote now will win overwhelmingly, IMHO.
Maybe...the latter certainly if women were allowed to vote for it--which they wouldn't have been prior to suffrage.
Black Americans did not have effective suffrage in 1967 when the SCOTUS changed the interracial marriage landscape, so that probably wouldn't have passed either.
Do you think putting them to a popular vote would be a good idea?
You know, so they'd be real rights.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Taz
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Message 314 of 759 (654098)
02-26-2012 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 313 by Omnivorous
02-26-2012 9:01 PM


Re: I don't want you voting on my rights either.
I've never said it was a good idea to put them up for popular vote. In fact, I've expressed many times on this forum that I don't trust the unwashed masses at all. Don't believe in democracy.

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Omnivorous
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Message 315 of 759 (654103)
02-26-2012 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 314 by Taz
02-26-2012 9:13 PM


Re: I don't want you voting on my rights either.
Taz writes:
I've never said it was a good idea to put them up for popular vote. In fact, I've expressed many times on this forum that I don't trust the unwashed masses at all. Don't believe in democracy.
Commie.
Then why is a popular vote for gay rights important?

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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