Catholicism versus Protestantism down the centuries

Of course it's from a biased source. There is no other kind of source.But the biggest joke is that you consider yourself the only valid source anyway: Unevidenced assertion, pure jar-originated Political Correctness. Right, jar doesn't need to give evidence for anything he says, that's something that's only required of Christians, Creationists and Conservatives. Jar only needs his own self-assessment as an "honest onlooker" to justify the wildest unsubstantiated assertions.The Pope of EvC?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Rome isn't happy to have lost us, Tempe, Rome wants us back, or dead.But again this formula "Works show your faith because they are examples of each individual living as Jesus instructed" is a PROTESTANT belief, not a Catholic belief. We are the ones who believe that works FOLLOW faith, Catholicism teaches that works are needed FOR salvation. Or perhaps you are saying you are justified by works plus faith AND works follow faith. Well, that would be a true statement of Catholic belief. But the discussion has been about salvation, and the Protestant view of salvation is FAITH ALONE, and then works are the proof of it and if you are saying anything similar to that you are yourself under the anathemas of Rome: Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Are you denying that Western Civilization was developed by Greeks worshiping the Olympians, by Romans worshiping the Pantheon, by Roman Catholics and Protestants and Muslims and Jews, by atheists and agnostics and deists and pantheists and Wiccans and Druids?Have you ever heard of Euclid, Aristotle, Abū ʿAbdallāh Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī, Georges Lematre, Hans Bethe?

Let me guess, it's because you too, like jar, are a Certificed Honest Onlooker that you know this to be the case, no evidence required, just the wild assertion and voila, hocus pocus abracadra, Truth has been Established. And again, you don't seem to need any evidence or even any information or any argument or any facts, you don't need to bother to read any of the sources I've listed of course, that would be beneath you. You need only the assertion on the basis of your status as EvC Debunker in Chief or something like that.It was called the Holy Roman Empire because all its rulers were under the rule of the Pope and it was considered to be a revival of THE Roman Empire only with the Popes in the place of Caesar. After the Protestant Reformation most of those nations became Protestant. The Third Reich was an attempt to reestablish the Holy Roman Empire, that's what the name refers to. They don't give up. I do understand that I need to get the evidence together better.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

No, I'm denying that you personally are the arbiter of all truth.

Too funny.Not is it totally irrelevant to the topic, it is a claim I never made. But are you denying that Western Civilization was developed by Greeks worshiping the Olympians, by Romans worshiping the Pantheon, by Roman Catholics and Protestants and Muslims and Jews, by atheists and agnostics and deists and pantheists and Wiccans and Druids?

Of course you don't need to know anything about Chiniquy yourself or read anything he wrote, you just somehow "know" he's got to be wrong the way so many others here seem to "know" the truth without bothering to study any of the evidence. so any old article debunking him -- who is Joseph George anyway? -- you'll take as gospel truth over anything I post from him or about him, just because all you care about is trashing him because he said something you disagree with, God knows why. You are arguing by innuendo and namecalling but that's fine because you're on the Right Side here.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The Bible does not ever contradict itself. It never ever says that works are needed FOR salvation, it ALWAYS says they are the FRUIT of salvation, which is NOT what Rome says.

Are you really that simpleminded?
The Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, roman or an empire. It is a name nothing more.
Do you know what North Korea's official name is?
The Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
Is it Democratic? No. A Republic? No.
Are you making the claim that everything is what it name is?The Pope had no power over the HRE emperors. If he did, show a source please. The history of the HRE is one of constant conflict with the Popes. The HR Emperor was very weak and did not actually have any imperial powers.But we know that reality means nothing to you. Bathe in your ignorance if you want, but I will not let you spout blatant falsehoods like this without responding.Educate yourself.

You never have HONESTLY read the Bible have you Faith?Of course there are contradictions in the Bible and of course Jesus himself says that works determine who gets damned or saved.But that is irrelevant to the topic and there are both Protestants and Roman Catholics that believe works are necessary.

Did you read the research into his claims?
No. Of course not. That would mean reading something contrary to your beliefs. Lord knows you can't do that.
His claims do not stand up to scrutiny. Find one source that backs him up. Why does he not appear in the historical record when he claims he should? I looked at the evidence, unlike you. The evidence does not support any of his fantastical claims.
Seems you will believe anything you read that is anti-catholic. There is a skill called critical thinking. You do not seem to have this ability.

You are incredibly naive if you think the fact that all those nations were CATHOLIC and all their rulers CATHOLIC who had all been officially CROWNED by the Popes and confessed their sins to Catholic Priests were not under the Popes. Of COURSE there were conflicts, so WHAT? And you're even more naive if you think Rome has quietly accepted the loss of all those Catholic nations to the Protestant Reformation, or that the Third Reich was not an attempt to put Europe under the Pope again, or that the European Union doesn't have papal delegates working hard to bring Europe under the Pope by THAT means even now.

You won't read Chiniquy I'm nlot going to waste my time on your stupid biased lying debunker.

And so folks we see how far down Loony Lane Faith is willing to go.I for one are done feeding this troll.When you are willing to make reasonable, non-crazy arguments I will be willing to attempt to debate you again. Until then maybe you should up your meds.ABE
Phat do us all favor and close this thread that should have never been promoted in the first place.Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

I have NO interest in debating the likes of you EVER. Get lost.