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Tempe 12ft Chicken
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Message 46 of 384 (679701)
11-15-2012 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by NoNukes
11-14-2012 5:10 PM


Not exactly sure...
NoNukes writes:
And in this case what is the right that has been slightly infringed?
I see the petitions as a pretty funny way of blowing off steam. The administration can dismiss the petitions fairly easily.
I definitely agree that it is a humorous route for people to show they are upset. As far as rights being infringed, I am not agreeing that this is what is happening. I am simply stating that when specific individuals feel this way, this is the reaction our citizenships seems to react with. Such as, "That's fine, take away our guns, we will just leave."
It is quite ludicrous to think the Government will allow this to even happen, but I find it even more ludicrous that this is how people react to the slightest inclination of not receiving their way.

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Message 47 of 384 (679729)
11-15-2012 1:26 PM


Around thirty-five years ago, give or take, here in Saskatchewan we had a movement (two guys, as far as I know) called the Unionest Party (no, that is not a typo) which wanted, apparently, to allow the U.S. to join us. So, give us your loyalists, your royalists, your fugitive slaves, your draft dodgers... and anybody else who's yearning to breath free.
The only drawback I can think of is the average daytime temperature of minus a million.

  
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Message 48 of 384 (681162)
11-23-2012 12:16 PM


Texas GOP official speaks on secession.
quote:
A Texas Republican Party official was so distraught over President Obama’s reelection that he suggested the state secede from the rest of the nation and all of the terrible people who supported Obama’s reelection.
Did the press put words in Morrison's mouth when they referred to 'terrible people'? Well no...
quote:
Peter Morrison, treasurer of the Hardin County Republican Party, wrote in the newsletter he publishes that Obama’s reelection proved the nation is too big and encompasses too many divergent views to be controlled by the federal government. In a vitriolic screed labeling Democrats, baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists, Morrison laid out his reasoning for secession.
Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government?, he continued. Let each go her own way in peace, sign a free trade agreement among the states and we can avoid this gut-wrenching spectacle every four years.
To support his case, Morrison cited General Robert E. Lee and Confederate soldiers who refused to accept Union rule following the Civil War.
Like the remainder of Lee’s army after Gettysburg, it is our duty to keep fighting to the bitter end, in hopes that Providence might shine upon our cause before it is too late, he wrote. We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity. But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity.

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Message 49 of 384 (681172)
11-23-2012 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by NoNukes
11-23-2012 12:16 PM


Re: Texas GOP official speaks on secession.
Didn't his own Republican party, under the leadership of Abraham Lincoln, decisively refute that argument?

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RAZD
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Message 50 of 384 (686189)
12-29-2012 5:03 PM


UPdate TEXAS
It looks like the Texas petition has 123,642 signatures ...
The White House
... and it looks like ~1/2 are from outside Texas.
Enjoy.

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Message 51 of 384 (686191)
12-29-2012 5:37 PM
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11-15-2012 10:31 AM


Re: letting texas go?
Hi tesla,
... If one state was to leave, it would bring other states into questioning such a value, and turn into a mess really quickly.
OR it could offer an alternative to those who are dissatisfied with the federal government: move to Texas. They have lots of room and it could provide sufficient boost to their economy to pay the US for the federal assets that they would need to buy\reimburse (a process that would cool the heels of copycat states).
It could be done as an experiment,
Enjoy

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Message 52 of 384 (686193)
12-29-2012 5:58 PM
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12-29-2012 5:37 PM


Re: letting texas go?
Hell, no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We would have even more loonies than we have now!!!!

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Message 53 of 384 (686196)
12-29-2012 6:20 PM
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12-29-2012 5:58 PM


Re: letting texas go?
Hi Coragyps,
We would have even more loonies than we have now!!!!
So you could sell your property (with a lot of potential new buyers) and move to a more reasonable state. The question is where would you most like to live?
Personally I don't see any great attachment to a piece of land, but that may be due to my moving so much.
Enjoy.

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Message 54 of 384 (686199)
12-29-2012 6:45 PM
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12-29-2012 6:20 PM


Re: letting texas go?
There's a great misconception that Texas is a homogenous character but if you look at the county by county 2012 Presidential returns a different picture emerges. The counties that went for Obama included cities like San Antonio, El Paso, Houston, Dallas, Beaumont, Alice, Kingsville, Austin and almost all of the Valley.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 55 of 384 (686208)
12-29-2012 8:24 PM
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12-29-2012 6:45 PM


Re: letting texas go?
Hi jar,
There's a great misconception that Texas is a homogenous character ...
No state is homogeneous, as far as I know, but it sure seems that the evidence of your legislature, federal reps, recent governors and presidential candidates all point to being ill informed on reality.
It may actually improve your sanity to move away from such influences. I know I was happier away from Mississippi and evangelical western Michigan ...
Enjoy.

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Message 56 of 384 (686210)
12-29-2012 8:32 PM
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12-29-2012 8:24 PM


Re: letting texas go?
Hey, I live in the home town of Lloyd Bentsen, one of the very liberal areas in the state.

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Message 57 of 384 (688543)
01-23-2013 1:35 PM
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12-29-2012 5:37 PM


Re: letting texas go?
OR it could offer an alternative to those who are dissatisfied with the federal government: move to Texas. They have lots of room and it could provide sufficient boost to their economy to pay the US for the federal assets that they would need to buy\reimburse (a process that would cool the heels of copycat states).
It could be done as an experiment,
It could. But it is unlikely to play out that way. The Federal government would not willingly grant it, and if it was granted, many other states may decide to join Texas as a new nation. Hence the ‘mess’.
It could go many different ways, even as you suggest, but it's a dangerous experiment, because the true impact cannot be ascertained until after the fact.
Hindsight is 20/20, but despite that we do not have any more foresight than we have ever had, as variables are in constant change, as are the minds of the people.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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Message 58 of 384 (688733)
01-24-2013 8:44 PM
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01-23-2013 1:35 PM


Re: letting texas go?
... and if it was granted, many other states may decide to join Texas as a new nation. ...
And?
... Hence the ‘mess’.
Why?
Why should the federal government always be lumbered by restrictionists preventing progress?
Enjoy.

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Message 59 of 384 (688743)
01-25-2013 12:04 AM
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01-24-2013 8:44 PM


Re: letting texas go?
Why should the federal government always be lumbered by restrictionists preventing progress?
Oh I agree, I agree, why should you? For myself I'd like to divvy the whole nation up between "restrictionists" and "progressives" and let each section govern itself. I SO wish it were possible.

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Message 60 of 384 (688747)
01-25-2013 2:33 AM


We Shall Call It Alabamastan
If I were made supreme dictator of the US I would suggest the following solution.
I would join the states of Alabama, Arkansas, Mississipi, and Louisiana into a single state and name it Alabamastan.
I would then announce that Alabamastan would be seceding from the Union with a few requirements. First, no safety nets. No government could be formed in Alabamastan if it allowed for Social Security, Medicare, or any social programs that caused the rich to support the poor. Second, anyone can own any weapon they please. Third, no restrictions on pollution or anything that the EPA would deem unsanitary. Fourth, once the borders are closed no immigrants are allowed in. Fifth, and finally, everyone has to wear clown shoes on Thursdays. I am the supreme dictator and this would make me giggle, so I command it be so.
How many people would want to live in Alabamastan (assuming that I may be flexible on the fifth requirement)?

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