What if Satan reformed?

We don't know. My question to you is what you think about faith in general. Im also more interested in the real angels that surround us and protect you rather than hypothetical ones. Why does evidence have to be a prerequisite?And why do some equate belief in God with a belief in Santa Claus?Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

We? We who? Some of us have a rational faith without evidence. We as a people and a nation and a global culture are divided on this issue.Besides...what is your confidence in?Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

No. What I am saying is that for everything to be fair, a choice between obedience and rebellion (thus evil) would still have to be offered. The gang leader of the rebels may have repented, but the rest of the bunch still has to have the free will to even be rebels in the first place.

Subjective evidence is still evidence, in my book. Have I ever seen an angel? No. Have I ever seen God or Jesus? Maybe. A Spirit can shine through a willing vessel. You might scoff and say that its just humans being nice to one another, and I would disagree. Humans may be nice and open doors for each other at the local mall,church, or rational skeptics meeting...but cram a bunch of refugees into the Superdome after a hurricane and the real human nature comes out.It takes a relationship with God to be nice then...and you likely will get persecuted for it on the spot. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Good point. Who needs a leader anyway? I do have cognitive dissonance in this ...in that I want Jesus to be a leader of everyone. First of all He loves us all, supposedly. Second, He wont let me get out of communion with Him. Even when I rebel, He woos me back. Honestly I am scared of the idea of not needing Him.On the other hand, I don't really care if Satan repents or is vaporized, to be honest. Its the rest of the gang that I find myself dealing with.That and my own adolescent conscience.Which is why I want Jesus in charge. The buck stops with Him and not with me.Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Not so much a get-out-of-hell-free card. You see, hell to me is an actual place..perhaps a state of mind also...where God does not exist. The place was initially created..by God...as an alternative for the spirits which chose to have no need nor want of heaven. As I may have said before a few times...God created potentialized evil. While some may argue that true freedom involves the choice of no God, I respectfully disagree. The reason is that God is so much more than a character in a book, a religious concept, or an authoritarian despot. God represents the very best of what freedom can mean....in the life we were given. Wanting Jesus to be in charge is not abdication of responsibility. It is freedom from the bondage of addiction, the idolatries of our modern world.

I realize that you believe that. They dont. there are nice people all around. They sell you cars. They do business with you. They are at football games with you. My belief is that having a relationship with God stops internal and spiritual death. The problem with nice people...as well as mean ones...is that they die. And having kids wont carry your dreamsbut by all means live for today. Eternal life is not some fantasyland.

Not true. You choose your destiny. The only thing you may have an issue with is that He built the roads, and there are essentially only two destinations. At least He was nice enough to offer us more than only one option. We may complain that we are not allowed an option to build our own destination---and road--for ourselves and that this is unfair and not true freedom, but I would ask if it is unfair that an eternal God is logically going to foreknow whatever destination we would choose and that we would either choose wisely...which would end up being Heaven..or we would choose on our own...imperfectly by default..and thus end up building our destination and road in the same subset that encompasses option 2 by default. Does that make sense? Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Because the beach is next to a freshwater lake...which is the only source of water in the state. God won't simply change the nature of the reality of the source of life in order to give you the power to create your own water supply.

There are some choices in reality that we dont get to make. We will never fly, yet we can build airplanes. We will never live forever through our own efforts or that of medical science. WE cant redesign our bodies to not need water or food, and we can't worship our own offroading spirit. Its not His fault that you always decide to go offroading on the day He sends His Son to your house to bring some water over from the beach next to the lake. You still had the choice what to do with your time...you just cant live forever away from the water supply.

Have you never had a relationship with someone who kept you busy and out of trouble?Im not saying that you dont have a responsibility to try and do your best. I am suggesting that the relationship is the charge to do so.

Here you go again! Thats satans argument...not yours.You can always go offroading. Just make sure to take plenty of water with you.Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

If satan and Jesus were together in a lineup, satan would be the one accusing Jesus of being the real bad guy. Jesus would utter nary a word. Actions speak louder than words.As far as fighting God...we all do it at times. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

soooo...which one would you pick?

And of course the third option is neither....
I can hear it now....
GOD: "See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, and death and adversity; 16in that I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His judgments, that you may live and multiply, and that the LORD your God may bless you...Ringo No thanks, I think I'll pass and just sit this one out. Commentator Not to choose is choosing..... Ringo Hey how do I know which one of you spooks to trust? All I can do is to trust my own conscience at this point!