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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
In Message 1109 you said, "Slavery and segregation were not ended in the south by building more schools."
To your mind, what were they ended by? And would the same approach be applicable to todays problems (moving people away from backwardness and extremism)?
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Jon Inactive Member |
The Sharia law stuff is equally outrageous, most Muslims actually use their laws in the UK now, quite legally to solve disputes between neighbours and inside families - this does not in anyway suggest that they support stoning, flogging and beheading for trivial 'offences'. Really?
quote: That's 30% who specifically want to turn Britain into Saudi Arabia. Do you think 30% of non-Muslim Brits want to turn your country into Saudi Arabia?
If you polled 500 evangelical Christians you would find all 500 of them also believe homosexual acts to be immoral - it's a primitive bloody religion what do you expect? Except that you wouldn't:
quote: Still a ways off from the mainstream, but not to the same level as British Muslims. And Christianity, especially fundamentalist Christianity, is not treated the same way by Multiculturalism on account of being considered neither a minority nor non-Western.
. . . the overwhelming majority comply with our laws and are adjusting. Of course complying with laws isn't the same as sharing our values, which was your initial claim.
Those same polls also said that 99% thought the bombers in the UK were wrong and 91% feel loyal to Britain. Such questions are useless. I'm sure if you asked many Americans whether they like ACA, they would say no. But if you ask them about specific aspects of the act, they would probably agree with most of them. (In fact, I think such surveys have been done with exactly those results.) You have to ask specific questions about specific values. And when you do, you find that a very large proportion of Western Muslims hold beliefs and opinions completely antithetical to the principles that underpin our free, prosperous, and happy societies. Multiculturalism has failed to assimilate non-Westerners into Western culture (it's not just Muslims). And that failure has had disastrous consequences.
I'm still waiting for your solution. I don't think you'd like it. Edited by Jon, : URL Edited by Jon, : Grammar Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
To your mind, what were they ended by? In short: force.
And would the same approach be applicable to todays problems (moving people away from backwardness and extremism)? Force is always applicable. Love your enemies!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
jon writes: I don't think you'd like it. So what?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jon writes:
So you're prepared to force people to assimilate? And sticking with the slavery example, I presume you mean armed force?
Force is always applicable.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Jon writes: Force is always applicable. Interesting.
Jon writes: Not force; but encourage. You are putting words into my arguments that make me look like a totalitarian lunatic. But, again, this is just your caricaturization of me; it is not my actual position. I guess I can finally agree with you on something substantial.Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Jon Inactive Member
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How do you protect individuals and their rights rights from others who would take them away?
Ask nicely?Love your enemies!
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
How do you protect individuals and their rights rights from others who would take them away? Just what rights are you claiming to have lost through multi-culturalism? I suspect that answer to be something close to zero. Of course if you are a totalitarian lunatic (your term, not mine) who thinks that not having to dial one to speak in English or that having other people eat turkey on thanksgiving is one of his God given rights then you are going to see every group of immigrants of as some type of threat to your well being.Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
What rights have you lost?
Just give one example. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
None yet, but we know what we stand to lose if Islam gets a hold in the nation.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
What is your solution? Time to shit or get off the pot.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: None yet, but we know what we stand to lose if Islam gets a hold in the nation. Just how could Islam get hold of the US? Can you even think of a way?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Faith writes: Just how could Islam get hold of the US? Can you even think of a way? Faith has put her money where her mouth is. Part of her 100 dollar bet with Dr Adequate is that Islam will get a hold in the nation by Dec 19, 2019.Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But so far no one has shown how Islam can get hold of the US.
Can anyone even think of a way? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Just so you know: You attributed jar's post to me.
The answer is, by continuing to settle in the US. continuing to push for more rights to their own laws, aided and abetted by Political Correctness, that's how they could get a hold in the US. It's how they got a hold in Europe after all, where they are now wreaking havoc wherever they have the opportunity due to their numbers. By the way, was my bet with Dr. A specific about Islam? I thought it was more general about a variety of things that could bring down the nation. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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