Another one that hurts

Yep, if there's one thing that the US hates, it's indiscriminate killing. Our killings are ALWAYS purposeful:

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Was the U.S. attack on the Kunduz hospital a war crime?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...unduz-hospital-a-war-crime

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Probably not gonna happen. American half-wit voters want a president who is a pro-military half-wit.Except for possibly Rand Paul, all the candidates are all extremely pro-military-solution. I am sure that after the recent Paris massacre, they will step up their tough-guy act even more.Hillary is the worst, she enthusiastically supported retarded criminals Bush/Chaney/Blair going into the Iraqi war and equally shares the DIRECT blame for ISIL's rise. She enthusiastically and unilaterally supports Israel's human rights crimes against the Palestinians. As Secretary of State, she was a human right's criminal. The Clinton Foundation takes funds/bribes from human right disaster nations including Saudi Arabia (read the entire Znet link below). I could go on and on, but all in all, she is a filthy vermin of a human being.

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What Congress Should Ask Hillary Clinton

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As the article recounts, Clinton approved a massive weapons sale to Saudi Arabia, almost certainly involving weapons since used to bomb innocent families in Yemen, despite official State Department positions on Saudi Arabia and, I might add, in apparent violation of the Arms Export Control Act.

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In the years before Hillary Clinton became secretary of state, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia contributed at least $10 million to the Clinton Foundation, the philanthropic enterprise she has overseen with her husband, former president Bill Clinton. Just two months before the deal was finalized, Boeing the defense contractor that manufactures one of the fighter jets the Saudis were especially keen to acquire, the F-15 contributed $900,000 to the Clinton Foundation, according to a company press release.

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The Saudi deal was one of dozens of arms sales approved by Hillary Clinton’s State Department that placed weapons in the hands of governments that had also donated money to the Clinton family philanthropic empire, an International Business Times investigation has found.

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. . . American [military] contractors also donated to the Clinton Foundation while Hillary Clinton was secretary of state and in some cases made personal payments to Bill Clinton for speaking engagements.

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Clinton’s State Department the next year approved a one-year 70 percent increase in military export authorizations to the country (Algeria). The increase included authorizations of almost 50,000 items classified as ‘toxicological agents, including chemical agents, biological agents and associated equipment’ after the State Department did not authorize the export of any of such items to Algeria in the prior year.

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On a trip to Moscow early in her tenure as secretary of state, Hillary Rodham Clinton played the role of international saleswoman, pressing Russian government officials to sign a multibillion-dollar deal to buy dozens of aircraft from Boeing. A month later, Clinton was in China, where she jubilantly announced that the aerospace giant would be writing a generous check to help resuscitate floundering U.S. efforts to host a pavilion at the upcoming World’s Fair. Boeing, she said, ‘has just agreed to double its contribution to $2 million.’ Clinton did not point out that, to secure the donation, the State Department had set aside ethics guidelines that first prohibited solicitations of Boeing and then later permitted only a $1 million gift from the company. Boeing had been included on a list of firms to be avoided because of its frequent reliance on the government for help negotiating overseas business and concern that a donation could be seen as an attempt to curry favor with U.S. officials.

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Zcomm » What Congress Should Ask Hillary Clinton

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It WAS a terriific battle. We'll both carry emotional scars far into the future. But thank god, it is now over.And now that my life's primary goal is finished, I can start working on something I think is even more important, . . . a television sitcom about a sassy robot.

Errrm, you do know that the UK and the US enthusiastically support Saudi Arabia. They have beheaded way more people than ISIS. Rape and slavery is part of Saudi Arabia's ideaology. Overall, Saudi Arabia is worse than ISIS (so far). The US and UK enthusiastically supports Saudi Arabia. So by proxy, . . . yeah, we do behead people for being gay or for being Christian or for being the wrong kind of MuslimUmm, are you sure you're not a hypocrite? Do I need to quit writing my television script already?

I thought your reply was a sassy joke, so I followed your lead.My mistake. Sorry.

___________________________________________________ Yes, yes we are the monster. Through Saudi Arabia, we DO behead people for being gay or for being Christian or for being the wrong kind of Muslim. Rape and slavery, through Saudi Arabia, IS part of our ideology.Then Saudi Arabia supports ISIS . . .

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Iraq crisis: How Saudi Arabia helped Isis take over the north of the country
Iraq crisis: How Saudi Arabia helped Isis take over the north of the country | The Independent | The Independent

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So Ringo's right, . . . directly and indirectly, we are the monster.Until the US and the UK stops supporting Saudi Arabia, we would be hypocrites to tell another organization to stop what we are already supporting.This is difficult to understand?

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UK training Saudi forces used to crush Arab spring
UK training Saudi forces used to crush Arab spring | Saudi Arabia | The Guardian
Saudis’ UK-made war jets outnumber RAF’s
Saudis’ UK-made war jets outnumber RAF’s
Britain urged to stop providing weapons to Saudi Arabia
Amnesty calls for suspension of arms transfers as group says it has evidence of war crimes in Yemen conflict
Britain urged to stop providing weapons to Saudi Arabia | Arms trade | The Guardian
Iraq crisis: How Saudi Arabia helped Isis take over the north of the country
Iraq crisis: How Saudi Arabia helped Isis take over the north of the country | The Independent | The Independent

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Are you insane?The US and the UK are STILL supporting Saudi Arabia.Saudi Arabia is STILL supporting ISIS.Right now.Right this very second.With your tax dollars.And you're dismissing my complaint as a minor "bugbear?"Are you insane?Dr A protests the way ISIS beheads people. But with the US and UK's support, Saudi Arabia have been doing that for decadeS. And is doing that . . . TODAY! And tomorrow. And the next.How can that be a minor issue to you when it is directly connected to ISIS? Oh, I don't know, . . . how about, . . . stop supporting Saudi Arabia?This would seem to be the first step. Also wouldn't take ANY effort.Sheesh, a child has his hand over an open fire. It's starts to burn. His first reaction is to remove the hand from the fire.Are you guy's pulling my leg?

Dr Adequate, I don't think you ever got so mad on the forum. It is telling. I suspect you are so angry because of cognitive dissonance.If so, good, that means I got through to one person today. I've got another 310 million fellow-Americans to go. Perhaps it will be then when I and other americans have stopped supporting other monsters, we will then ourselves stop being a monster.Did you read Phat's recent post? Lovely, isn't it?Edited by dronestar, : added Phat's post

And yet I predicted you would reply exactly the way you did. Amateur-psychoanalysis 2, Dr Adequate 0 I'd like to be wrong about you being a hypocritical monster. That will be the day when you are EQUALLY incensed about your country's role in supporting terrorism.

Wow, that's some fine re-writing of history you've done Straggler.Yes, let's refer back to Message 114 Yeah and ends with you completely nullifying it by writing: That is why I responded with the bed-time story. I mistakenly thought the moral of the story was simple enough for a young child. Yet I still got even more static from you. Wow. I have been very clear in my posts that it WILL solve these problems . . . NOW:1. It WILL solve your hypocrisy of condemning ISIS's terrorist actions while supporting Saudi Arabia's terrorist actions.
2. It WILL draw attention that Saudi Arabia has the world's worst human rights record.
3. It WILL prevent Saudi Arabia from assisting ISIS tomorrow with additional military support.In addition, it will draw attention to the fact that Saudi Arabia teaches/exports the most extreme fanatical form of religion call Wahhabism. The same that ISIS practices. I concur 100% with Ringo, ISIS won't be defeated with military might alone. After 14 failed military years in Afghanistan, I would think someone would understand this by now. Wow. I couldn't have been more clear: "First step." Usually Straggler, when one writes 'first step" that implies there are more steps. Wow. You believe the type of replies I've received 'largely agree' with me? From: To people like Vimsey who had so much trouble calling Bush Jr a war criminal and admitting that the US had SOME responsibility for today's ISIS.to people like DrA who believes he isn't a hypocritical monster for condemning one horrific action (ISIS) while simultaneously supporting other horrific actions (Saudi Arabia). As I posted, The US and UK's support of Saudi Arabia goes back decades. Why should you be so condemning of ISIS now. Where were you all this time? And by using terms like "dodgy" you continue to marginalize what I've been writing. You Brits have been sucking the Saudi's ***** for decades. Own it, be responsible for your support of evil, stop trying to marginalize your role . . . Sheesh, if these are the type of replies I have been getting from people who largely agree with me, what replies do I have to look forward to people who have voted for Bush Jr. . . . twice? Or to people who believe the current crop of blowhard war-mongering US candidates will solve all the middle east problems with the same military 'solutions' that we applied in the past?

Music to my ears. A huge thank you! Huh?I've repeatedly and clearly explained to you this was a first step. Meaning other steps will be involved: And yet you keep mis-writing that I believe this ONE act alone will solve the world's problems?Wow.A charitable explanation is that you may have mental problems.

Yes, YES it will. That's all good and well, but you're not understanding what I am writing. I have repeatedly wrote about OUR (US/UK/West) support of terrorists/dictatorships/human-rights-violators. Do you want me to list all the terrorists/dictators the US has supported in the past 50 years. When we actively support terrorists/dictatorships/human-rights-violators, for the past 50 years, ISIS is what happens. Are you kidding me? Phat wrote that the US should stay bed-fellows with the Saudis for a long time! Perhaps the world is, but Brits and especially americans are incredibly ignorant (sorry Phat). If our media put pictures of everyday beheadings and stonings of Saudi woman, I can assure you our politicians would be acting differently. Because the citizens are ignorant, the politicians are free to make cruel actions. So you are saying, since ISIS can get the weapons anywhere, the US might as well sell the weapons directly to ISIS?Huh? That's non-sensical.

I'll probably have to write this paragraph another hundred times . . . At this point, nothing will work 100%. As I wrote before, despite world-wide protests, Bush Jr/Blair drove off the cliff 12 years ago after the invasion of Iraq. There are no 100% solutions. That car is in free fall. There are no air brakes. There are no Chitty-chitty-bang-bang wings. And now the car is crashing on the boulders below. You would think the west would have learned their lesson, but as the US candidates rev up their tough guy platform speeches, you can be sure the american voters will pick the most radically violent 'contestant.'So what can help?1. First of all the term you use above; "Western Democracies." You're so ethno-centric, and BBC-propagandized, that you actually think "western democracy" is a selling point to the people who were instructed to what Western Democracies REALLY means by the likes of Bush Jr. and Tony Blair. Your Tony Blair, after murdering up to a million Iraqi civilians, is a man who walks around free from the worries of prosecution in your country. And you point at ISIS and say THEY are the monsters? How can you Brits stand the arrogant hypocritical stench of yourselves?2. If the United Nations can be gathered again to work towards a partial peace in the middle east, the US and the UK needs to . . . NOT lead. They should shut the hell up, make NO suggestions, and go with whatever the rest of the world wants.3. The Israel oppression of Palestinians has been a violently festering wound that the "Western Democratic" USA keeps open. You don't think that cruel imbalance motivates people to be angry, really angry? Really, you didn't know this? I'm surprised you put it in your list.4. It will surprise you to know that some people want to do an honest days job, and then spend time with their families. By continuing to doing harm, for example drone strikes, that murder woman and children, the west continues to motivate moderates that may not want to join ISIS. The West has hardened a good many people against "Western Democracy" but I am confident, YES, many would hesitate to join ISIS if the "western Democratic " nations stopped murdering their children.5. Little Straggler junior thought about those words to himself. Even at his young age, he knew his father was correct, he could hardly prevent other people's actions. But, thinking further still, we CAN control our OWN actions. So what IS important is what OUR moral actions are. Shouldn't we simply do the right thing, regardless of other people's actions?

When you see Tony, say cheerio for me.

"You guys over there seem far fonder of him than we are."Americans are sociopaths. (I find it difficult to believe you have forgotten I am not exactly a proud american.)