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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
Videos are inferior to written communication for providing details. They also consume far more bandwidth. The visuals may provide additional information - but this is rarely an advantage.
But if you feel that videos are so good why don't you post the major points from the videos? It isn't unusual for quotes from written sources to be provided with links.
quote: Your record is against you on that point. Let us note that when I asked you could provide no reason to think that your sources were any good bringing it down to your own hopelessly poor judgement.
quote: It is hardly unusual for the Right to blame problems on immigrants - the far Right in particular. Or for them to indulge in dishonesty to do so. It's been pretty much a constant feature for as long as I've known it. And then we have people trying to stir up hate against Muslims. And people who want to keep refugees out. So there are pretty obvious motives - and we should expect the Right to indulge them.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Faith writes: There is no good reason to dismiss video evidence as inferior. It can be true or faked just as written evidence can be, and so can statistics. That is just wrong. Flat out wrong. Statistics have to be statistically valid. Government statistics are not just random sets of numbers, they're objective and gathered in a scientific way such that their error rates are known and can verified by third parties. Youtube videos are no better than anecdotes produced by people with agendas. There is no equivalence at all. None. If you can't tell the difference, you're part of the damn problem.
The reverse has been asked and I gave good reasons; I don't see any good reasons in answer to the opposite question. You're kidding? Trump got to be president of the USA by lying and making stuff up like the Swedish rapes and the non-existing UK no-go areas. How much more evidence do you need? It's propganda that appeals to the hard of thinking and the bigots that don't know the difference between a story and a fact.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Tangle writes: How else do you think Trump got to be president? Analyze the people that voted for him.
Trump got to be president of the USA by lying and making stuff up like the Swedish rapes and the non-existing UK no-go areas. How much more evidence do you need? It's propaganda that appeals to the hard of thinking and the bigots that don't know the difference between a story and a fact. The Atlantic writes: An American strand of authoritarianism may help explain why the thrice-married, foul-mouthed Donald Trump should prove to be so attractive to white Christian evangelicals. As Jerry Falwell Jr. told The New York Times in February, All the social issuestraditional family values, abortionare moot if isis blows up some of our cities or if the borders are not fortified. Rank-and-file evangelicals are trying to save the country, Falwell said. Being saved has a special resonance among evangelicalssaved from sin and damnation, of course, but also saved from the threats and impurities of a corrupt and dangerous world. This article in The Atlantic is hardly fake journalism. I recommend reading it.
The Mind Of Donald Trump Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Phat writes: This article in The Atlantic is hardly fake journalism. I recommend reading it.
The Mind Of Donald Trump The article, written back in June, has this about 40% of the way down predicting what Trump might be like as president:
quote: Bullseye. --Percy
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
The author of that article, Dan P. McAdams, was interviewed just last month in a followup article. 'He's Going to Continue to Create Chaos'
Some quotes from the second article:
The first is that I would double down even more on the idea that what you see is what you get when it comes to Trump. The piece starts off with this uneasy sense that Donald Trump is playing a role. I wanted to get behind the mask, but by the end I’m frustrated because there’s a lot less behind the mask than you expect. The upcoming State Of The Union address on Tuesday will tell us a bit more of what we (don't) want to know about this populist leader who some equate with Andrew Jackson.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Phat writes: The upcoming State Of The Union address on Tuesday will tell us a bit more of what we (don't) want to know about this populist leader who some equate with Andrew Jackson.
We need to remember that Andrew Jackson directly disobeyed orders from Congress and the President when he was in the Military, invaded another country without authorization, executed foreign diplomats without due process and while President helped implement a policy of ethnic cleansing and genocide. Not sure that is an admirable rsum .
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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quote: So it seems that immigrants are more in danger than a danger. Similar findings in Sweden, where immigrants are being attacked. Do your news sources report these incidents or do they hide them because of some conspiracy agenda? Just askinby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
May well be worse than I thought
How YouTube Serves As The Content Engine Of The Internet’s Dark Side
And yet there is a mammoth social platform, a cornerstone of the modern internet with more than a billion active users every month, which hosts and even pays for a fathomless stock of bad information, including viral fake news, conspiracy theories, and hate speech of every kind and it’s been held up to virtually no scrutiny: YouTube
I think that it is quite reasonable to be a little suspicious of YouTube videos, if that is even close to true. A video coming from a responsible news agency might be worth more. But I still prefer text for it's ability to communicate relevant detail and for ease of reference.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
It's like the question of why so many here don't seem to object to illegal immigration, or accepting huge numbers of Muslim refugees.
I. and I suspect everyone else here, object to illegal immigration, or accepting huge numbers of Muslim refugees. Which does not preclude accepting a number of Muslim refugees or showing Christian compassion. You are addressing your made-up fantasy.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Anecdotes are not statistics.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Anecdotes are not statistics.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Did you hear the part on that second video where the narrator says There have been been cases where wealthy families have had to give up their homes for refugees? aInteresting. I didn't see any evidence or specifics. What wealthy families have had to give up their homes for refugees? I suspect it's not true.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
There is no good reason to dismiss video evidence as inferior. It can be true or faked just as written evidence can be, and so can statistics.
Anecdotes are not statistics. Unsupported assertions of unlikely events aare not evidence.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
What motive could anyone have for pretending things are worse than they are?
It's a standard authoritairion technique. Trump uses it all the time. Convince the people that only he can save you from a terrible fate... just give up a few things such as our civil rights.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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I don't doubt there are those even among illegal aliens, but their illegality is still illegality, and there are others who are not so well behaved, which are the ones Trump wants to deport
That's what he says. He's deporting lots of bad people and lots of good people indiscriminately.
There are laws to be followed to become legal. Why not support those instead of championing the undermining of the nation?
I have no problem with supporting those laws. But there is no evidence of any undermining.
As for Sweden you're just another of the lying disinformation network.
Reality is not affected by your opinions. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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