Importance of Original Sin

Perhaps the gift of the knowledge of good and evil was the day we became fully human. Perhaps death is just a part of life, and that we basically left the nest that day. If so, your responsibility argument makes more sense...though I still dont like the idea of having to do everything on my own with no help from home.They may not have become more like God after that episode but they may have become more like Jesus....which is probably not what the serpent intended. It makes sense though if the serpent was but a tool. If the trinitarian doctrine is true, Jesus existed before Lucifer fell out of favor and became satan. Thus there was a solution even before there was a problem.

The only support that is used is the King of Tyre scripture....most of this dogma is from other sources, I believe. How would we know if they became more like God? Seems to me that God is a bit more complicated than just judging cloudy answers. All that happened is that they had to go to work and wear clothes.Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

OK so who is "us"? I thought there was only One God....

OK im now reading the story---since I wanted to find support for your assertion that A & E struggled with the complicated question of right and wrong even where there is no right or wrong answer.*reads*This God character seems like a bit of a tyrant. He says that Eve is gonna hurt when having children....(which as we know happens) thus He is not blessing anybody much with anything. Adam has to work hard...Eve has to bear offspring and hurt....and of course the serpent has to crawl around like a snake. I realize that these are what you call Just So stories...but they hardly impress me.*reads*Cain is told to cheer up and thus be accepted...and that he has a responsibility to master sin. More hard work. More tough responsibility. So far the book is not encouraging me....*reads*then it looks as if another human explanation...the judgement of murder...is just so explained.Im tellin ya....if the whole book is simply about responsibility and hard work, im disappointed.

The book is not helping me. Im trying to figure out why you seem to think that --God or not---handing out spare change results in a blessed life. Heck, let them go toil the earth for awhile.Where is a just-so story that promises me anything besides a sore back?Add by edit:

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Gen 4:25-26

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25 Adam lay with his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth, saying, "God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him." 26 Seth also had a son, and he named him Enosh.

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At that time men began to call on the name of the LORD.

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Finally! They need something from God! Im right there with them! Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

(plural)
rulers, judges
divine ones
angels
godsOK. we know that a man can never be a god and that if we believe in monotheiosm there is only one of them anyway.sounds more like a judge with somewhat of a divine awareness."You shall be judges of good and evil."Which gets back to jars old argument that humans are charged to be responsible. ArrrrrghEdited by Phat, : No reason given.

What gets me is why some people never let Jesus in. They think they are better off being independant.You sometimes claim that the gods dont care---or that they don't listen. Do you personally have any beef with Jesus?

My innate tells me that Jesus is not automatically "in" everybody. He is with everybody in that He stands at the door knocking. Having God "in" you is not some extension of our own internal idea.

Is His message limited to one book?(66,to be exact)Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Logically, this appears true. Some, however, believe that the Word was inspired by God (all 66 books). Surely these authors didn't just grab a cup of coffee and crank this stuff out like JK Rowling--so many Harry Potter stories.

You and I agree on this point. Perhaps I see it as a communion---in that part of God lives within me---whereas you see it as entirely your own conscience. Not much difference.

Its the whole "too many chiefs and not enough Indians" argument. Let the One be in charge and quit trying to duplicate His authority. It all gets back to evidence-based versus faith and belief-based. The belief that you have chosen to market relies on taking the Bibles teaching and focusing on emphasis of personal responsibility rather than blessing and favor. Honestly...yes, it is more logical. Not sure that I'm ready to buy it yet. I want favor and blessing. The fact that a God would create a Hell and fill it with Christians is just as evil of a God as one who filled it with atheists. Why not just create a Heaven with first class and coach and make the Christians live on streets of silver rather than gold. or perhaps copper? It may now be my money in name, but it was his sweat that put some of it there. I would be on the street asking you for spare change were it not for my father years ago. Maybe that's also why I see God as a rescuer versus a Being who simply wants to boot me out and force me to grow up.

To clarify, we Christians can and do still sin. Perhaps you mean that we have a new nature that cannot ever be condemned by sin again. Ringo would argue that this get-out-of-hell-free card never helps us to grow up and become responsible. Comments?

Faith would argue that we all come short of the glory of God no matter how much spare change we hand out. Is this a black and white issue or is it gray?

Giving all of it seems unrealistic. How will you pay rent? How will you eat? Do you give up cable? Own no car? Never save for retirement? Or for emergencies such as health care? What about dental? Where do you draw the line? When does spare change begin and end?