Importance of Original Sin

I dunno...perhaps to get a rise out of you. Why would you care?

But I don't consider arguments valid based only on the discipline of science anyway so I do not recognize your definition of credibility. In fact, I could almost say that you do like the Bible says in that you suppress the truth...you refuse to consider it...but why quibble over things we likely will never agree on anyway? (Im sure this post will get a dislike from Theodoric) Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

I certainly see no experts around here...the sheer hubris of you guys who think that "providing support" even begins to have any authority at settling an issue! The Scientific Method is no trump card in regards to faith and belief.The very fact that you are unimpressed by anyone seems to suggest that a moron who understood science would be able to earn respect through providing support...as if humans even have any...all it seems is that humans have cobbled together "support" that refutes scriptural authority...which is insulting to me.as far as support goes... I don't personally operate with the assumption that we have "facts", but we do have information with intent.Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Im claiming that there is not evidence for everything that is true or real in life.Im also claiming that the evidence may be subjective and internal...not replicable so as to satisfy others. They will have to find their own evidence.

Jaywill has a point. If objective evidence was so important, why didn't Jesus mention it?

And thats what we want to see happen now. This whole waste of time on figuring out if God is real is ludicrous. God will use us ourselves to provide evidence...

Im of the strong opinion that Matthew 25 means that "works" or what we do is a natural fruit of the Spirit...not necessary for salvation thanks to the gift of Grace...but a logical task among those hoping for a future with Jesus in control.to jaywill: I understand totally the Gospel of Grace brought forth by Paul and I am not going to attempt to be arrogant enough to brush him off or blame the redactors...to Ringo: I agree that works are a normal fruit of the spirit but wont go so far as to claim that we will be judged solely on what we do. Trust Him first....then do good works because you love Him so much...not because He is gonna give you a promotion for brown nosing. (Unbelievers take note: You have an advantage because its impossible for you to brown nose a non existent Boss. It migt be wise to never assume that you are the boss or are in charge, however. Strange things may happen! ) Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Just out of curiosity, why have a certain group of people formed virtually an entire religious hypothesis around Matthew 25?

Potential brothers at least. We teach that they need salvation, while jar thinks that just by doing good works they may catch the spirit of the message. After reading Pope Francis, I am no longer in disagreement about the importance of works simply for the sake of inner spiritual fulfillment---I might add that if by doing good works one had the right spirit, they couldn't help but accept Jesus Christ. The thing I also disagree with jar on is the idea that accepting Jesus (as alive today) is unimportant.

Sometimes your opponents do all the heavy lifting!

Its too bad that you came to the wrong conclusions. Why have a closed mind?

No argument there. The Lord loves a cheerful giver of time, talent, and resource...if one grumbles about it one may as well not do anything until they resolve what it is that ticks them off between themselves and God.

Actually, I was referring more to myself. I have no idea how you and God get along, after all.

Keep in mind that at the time Jesus spoke these words, His first coming had not yet occurred. Progressive revelation is necessary to fully understand scripture. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

But according to many accounts, that is what happened to Lucifer. He made a freely chosen decision to disagree with the Boss, thus banishing him into his own office outside of the main building.Why cant you people figure out that not listening to the Boss is gonna get you in trouble? You can be nice to the neighbors, see eye to eye with kids, and volunteer at the soup kitchen all you want, but keeping your own deliciously carnal attitudes and intellectual arrogance's is precisely the problem...not the gift of true free will which you all crave so lasciviously.