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Message 4951 of 5038 (785990)
06-14-2016 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 4947 by saab93f
06-14-2016 6:24 AM


Re: Worst Mass Shooting in U.S. History
It is a typical NRA ploy to insist that a armed group of people will deter or fend off a attacker. This is just patently stupid.
As far as why you should be able to buy a AR-15 I am with you on that.
You should not be able to buy a Claymore antipersonnel mine or a AR-15 for the same reasons imo.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 4952 of 5038 (785992)
06-14-2016 10:12 AM
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06-14-2016 9:53 AM


Re: Worst Mass Shooting in U.S. History
You should not be able to buy a Claymore antipersonnel mine or a AR-15 for the same reasons imo.

Our laws are never going to change until we change the perception in this country of needing to be armed in order to overthrow the government. That is the core philosophical argument used by right wing nut job militias. Their military level weapons are required 'just in case' they have to band together in case the government becomes corrupt.

This concept is so fucking asinine that it reaches a level of absurdity that I can scarcely comprehend at this stage. We saw this behavior with Cliven Bundy and his band of inbred hillbilly jackoffs that were arming themselves and preparing for the 'evil government' coming to usurp their land. And it wasn't even their land!

Personally, if I was president, I would have been a total dick at that stage. I would have sent a couple of Apache gunships and a few M1A2 Abrahams tanks to that location. Not as a means to escalate violence, but as a reality check for these nimrods. Take a look at the fire-power that the US military has at it's disposal. What are you possibly going to do against that even with your friggen AR-15? You could shoot at that parked tank all day and the soldiers inside would be pissing themselves laughing at your stupidity as the bullets bounce off. You might was well arm yourselves with Nerf guns for all the good it will do you.


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Message 4953 of 5038 (785996)
06-14-2016 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 4949 by AZPaul3
06-14-2016 9:27 AM


Re: Historical Revisionism
The Pulse Massacre in Orlando stands on it's own as a grave tragedy for this country, but the hyperbole as the "worst mass shooting in U.S. history" is insulting.

Several of these listed events are officially referred to as battles. If we want to pursue that kind of list, then surely a number of civil war battles fought in the US would dwarf these counts. Perhaps all of the Indian examples as well as the Fort Pillow incident are omitted on this basis or on the basis of being government sanctioned and 'rightful' law and order killings. Medals of honor were actually handed out to government troops in the Wounded Knee massacres.

No idea why the others are not counted. Absolutely no cover for any of those things not to be counted as gun violence.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams


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Message 4954 of 5038 (786289)
06-19-2016 4:51 PM


Good 2nd Amendment summary from "Raging Pencils" (aka "Far Left Side")

Source

Moose


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Message 4955 of 5038 (786368)
06-20-2016 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 4954 by Minnemooseus
06-19-2016 4:51 PM


Re: Good 2nd Amendment summary from "Raging Pencils" (aka "Far Left Side")
And the follow-up:

Source

Moose


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Message 4956 of 5038 (786385)
06-21-2016 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 4955 by Minnemooseus
06-20-2016 9:42 PM


It's official - Our Senate is worthless
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36563337

quote:
Four proposals were brought before the Senate after 49 people died in an attack on a gay nightclub in Florida.

But Democratic and Republican senators voted along party lines, blocking each other's bills.

Senators strongly disagreed about how to prevent more attacks happening in future.

Republican Senator John Cornyn said: "Our colleagues want to make this about gun control when what we should be making this about is the fight to eliminate the Islamic extremism that is the root cause for what happened in Orlando.

"My colleagues in many ways want to treat the symptoms without fighting the disease."


He does have a point. Although I would call 'the disease' the sheer stupidity of the average Republican Senator.


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Message 4957 of 5038 (786722)
06-25-2016 9:12 PM


Responsible Gun Owner Of The Week
"It would be horribly tragic if my ability to protect myself or my family were to be taken away", wrote responsible gun owner Christy Sheats on her Facebook page this March.

Guess what she just murdered her daughters with?


  
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Message 4958 of 5038 (787099)
07-03-2016 3:51 PM


Hapless Responsible Gun Owner of the Week
No crime here. Police reports later indicated that the guns were properly registered just the way all responsible, law abiding gun owners do.

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/...oting-at-roseville-dealership

quote:
ROSEVILLE, Mich. Zurlon Tipton, a former Indianapolis Colts running back, has died after accidentally shooting himself at a car dealership in suburban Detroit. He was 26.

St. John Hospital spokesman Brian Taylor confirmed Tiptons death Tuesday. Police say he was handling a duffel bag when a gun in the bag fired as he dropped off his car in Roseville.


http://detroit.cbslocal.com/...oting-at-roseville-dealership

quote:
He was gathering up personal belongings from the interior of the vehicle, putting them into a backpack, book bag type container, said Glandon. While doing so, one of two guns that were in that backpack discharged, striking this individual in the stomach."

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams


    
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Message 4959 of 5038 (787103)
07-03-2016 9:23 PM


113 and counting
From the beginning of the year until June 27th, there have been 113 homicides in Orange Country Florida, 49 from the Pulse nightclub shooting. Of these 113, 100 were shooting deaths. Obviously we have a gun problem in this country!
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Message 4960 of 5038 (787104)
07-03-2016 10:17 PM
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07-03-2016 9:23 PM


Re: 113 and counting
From the beginning of the year until June 27th, there have been 113 homicides in Orange Country Florida, 49 from the Pulse nightclub shooting. Of these 113, 100 were shooting deaths. Obviously we have a gun problem in this country!

We have a people problem.

I live out in the hills not far from a medium-sized California city. The murder rate out in these hills and surrounding hills is zero, even though virtually every house is well armed.

The nearby medium-sized city with a large hispanic population and major gang and drug problems has a large number of shooting deaths, one of the worse in the state.

There is no such thing as dangerous weapons, only dangerous people.


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Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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Message 4961 of 5038 (787105)
07-04-2016 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 4960 by Coyote
07-03-2016 10:17 PM


Re: 113 and counting
There is no such thing as dangerous weapons, only dangerous people.

And yet it turns out that the dangerous people are more dangerous when they have guns than when they point their fingers at people and shout BANG.


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Message 4962 of 5038 (787108)
07-04-2016 3:02 AM
Reply to: Message 4960 by Coyote
07-03-2016 10:17 PM


Re: 113 and counting
cayote writes:

There is no such thing as dangerous weapons, only dangerous people.

Perhaps dangerous people are more dangerous with a gun than without one?

Also you forget accident and suicide.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 4963 of 5038 (787109)
07-04-2016 3:28 AM
Reply to: Message 4962 by Tangle
07-04-2016 3:02 AM


Re: 113 and counting
Tangle writes:

Also you forget accident and suicide.

Country folk are their own worst enemies, apparently. At least, those 19 and under.

quote:

The study found that from 1999 through 2006, 23,649 Americans age 19 or younger died from gunshots. Rates in the most-rural and most-urban counties were nearly the same -- at 4 deaths per 100,000 children and teens, and 4.6 per 100,000, respectively.


http://www.reuters.com/...s-gun-deaths-idUSTRE64O3OY20100525


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Message 4964 of 5038 (787116)
07-04-2016 8:59 AM
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07-03-2016 10:17 PM


Re: 113 and counting
Coyote writes:

There is no such thing as dangerous weapons, only dangerous people.

I've got to call bs on that as all weapons are dangerous by nature of being weapons. But since we can't easily tell who the "dangerous people" are, perhaps we shouldn't let just anyone with a pulse have a gun, especially ones with magazines that can hold 30 or more bullets?


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Message 4965 of 5038 (787122)
07-04-2016 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 4960 by Coyote
07-03-2016 10:17 PM


Re: 113 and counting
Coyote writes:

There is no such thing as dangerous weapons, only dangerous people.


People who think they need guns are inherently dangerous.
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