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I can read that only marginally more easily than the white version but I get the gist of it. I don't know why you'd think a chart like that would mean much to me. Perhaps the basic scheme is accurate enough, but what matters to me is which ones are trustworthy, and the MSM definitely are not, or those on the liberal side of center. Those are the "fake news" from my point of view.. The fake news attack on Trump is understood by his supporters to BE the fake news.The MSM is the fake news. They are trying to get some of our favorite sources banned of course because they don't believe in free speech unless it's their free speech, so they can continue to twist information about Trump without being bothered by those of us who see through them.Rather than liberal and conservative news sources these days should be categorized as fake news or not, as I've laid out above.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I'm not familiar with Gateway Pundit, but I can assure you that your simply calling its author the stupidest man in the world makes me suspect he must have something important to say. At the very least I would think you should supply an example or two to defend your claim.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yes I knew I quoted him on some subject or other because his site came up showing quite a bit of information about it.Thanks for the response but of course I still need some examples of his supposed stupidity, and I don't know why you would think "a broad consensus" of opinion that turns up on Google would impress me.I do happen to know that "Media Matters" is definitely not to be trusted, although I have to say I can't remember why. Owned by Soros or something like that I think. I may make an effort to find out more about both sites eventually, but if I have to choose between the two as a likely source of a trustworthy perspective, without knowing much about either, I'll definitely choose Gateway. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I'd suppose I'll either think you made your case or you didn't.As I recall the problem with Media Matters is that it's owned by a full-bore lefty of some sort. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Reading your link has led me to the conclusion that he's taken a strong turn to the left, actually accusing people on the right of the same stuff the left does, basically politically correct lies.

Most of his list misrepresents the right. Just the usual lefty list of false PC accusations.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yes, that chart is perfect, thanks. You're awfully good at that sort of thing.It's good for comparing how we think about these things at least. I can certainly say that what on the chart is called Mainstream, Minimal Bias, is definitely liberal/leftist from my point of view, none of them only "minimally" biased, though probably some are better than others. I would be hard pressed to distinguish their perspective from the column to the left. I've learned to distrust all of them over the last few decades, though they have all become what I regard as fake news since Trump was elected, or during his campaign for that matter. I think it's absolutely appalling how they treat him.Oh, and your "fact checkers" lean left too; they are certainly not consistently neutral. Depends on the political context of the issue.I'm not sure Infowars deserves to be dismissed as not checking facts. I think it's more likely that they are right about things those to the left of them refuse to consider, and that eventually they will be shown to have been right. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Um, I think it's more likely that leftist thinking has managed to get itself accepted as mainstream over the last few decades. It shouldn't be too hard simply to define a leftist idea as versus a conservative idea and see that they align with my view of the chart better than yours. But it's more than just a difference of political views these days, it's the active smear campaign against Trump that's become the problem. How Trump is treated by the MSM/left is certainly not something I made up, I see the evidence in headlines every time I go online, and I'm just one of a huge crowd that recognizes what the "fake news" sources are doing, that's why so many call them fake news. I'm probably farther right than a lot of conservatives -- which I attribute to my Christian perspective which a lot of conservatives don't share, but nevertheless I'd put the Mainstream/Center no more than one column to the left of me. What may or may not be to the right of me I'd have to sort out idea by idea.

By the way, I recall taking one of those quizzes here a few years ago, or more than one maybe, that places you somewhere in a quadrant on a graph according to your political views, and I always end up very near the center, maybe in a Rightist quadrant but not far into it.

Headlines I'm talking about misrepresent facts I happen to know about, or put accounts into pejorative language, or focus on somebody's negative opinion of something Trump said or did instead of just describing what he said or did. Edited by Faith, : fix quote code

Well, but consider it this way: His ""tumultuous" presidency has had nothing to do with him, it's all about leftist reaction to him, the ridiculous protests, the threats to kill him and so on. It's really very odd that he is held responsible for others' reactions, which would be considered bizarre in any other context. His "chaotic immigration ban was not chaotic, people's reactions made it chaotic, leftist reactions; his supporters had no problem with it and we still don't. The "fear" in the immigration community is a truly wacko case in point. What on earth did Trump do except promise to deport criminals? Having an "immigration day" and Cuomo's strange remark suggesting Trump might throw out his legal immigrant family, are either a failure of intelligence to the point of dementia, or a designed attempt to pretend he is a threat to legal immigrants. Trump didn't cause this, his enemies are causing it. For what purpose? To confuse the public? To turn the public against him?I don't know about "the concerns he's sparked in NATO" but perhaps concerns should be sparked in NATO, perhaps Trump plans to do something good and right that concerns NATO? I suppose by " the insults to foreign cities, countries and heads of state" you mean his mention of the chaos in Europe caused by the flooding in of millions of Muslim immigrants who are a big problem they don't want to admit, that Trump wants to protect America from? They are strangled by political correctness, they have to whitewash their horrific immigration problems and that's Trump's fault for telling the truth about it. I'm not sure exactly what "confusion he's caused about health care" except the media's loving to make issues of things before they are finished... "tumultuous seems a more than fair characterization of the Trump presidency thus far. It must at least be agreed that his presidency has been very non-traditional." Oh I'm not particularly bothered by the word "tumultuous" but blaming on him what is really media-generated tumult, or leftist plots to make him look bad -- the raucous townhall meetings about Trump policies are due to leftist infiltrators for instance, doing their usual best to destroy normal discussion and MAKE chaos where there doesn't have to be chaos.I do think, however, that Trump might be able to mitigate some of this if he had a different personality instead of always reacting combatively, but probably it wouldn't make a lot of difference in the end, it's just that the Left hates everything he stands for and are going to make as much of a ruckus as they can no matter what he does.I'm not up to reading your whole post right now I'm afraid so the above is just my initial reaction.

If you can find the quizzes I'd be interested too. My own quick search turned up nothing.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Thanks, to you and Asgara both. I just can't cope with even minimal technical issues these days, but since you provide links maybe I can do something. I have a new computer system because my other one crashed and I'm operating it with an absolute minimum of stuff I had on my old one because it's too much for me to find things on the new system, follow instructions to set things up and so on.

I don't want to take a new quiz, I just wanted to find the old ones to see what my scores were. Fortunately Moose found one of them.

Right, smack dab in the middle. Which does surprise me somewhat since even I think of myself as identifiably on the right. But the reason I brought it up was that RAZD said I must be reading his chart from the point of view of the VERY far right and I don't think that's true. My midline score at least supports my idea that it's more likely that "Mainstream" has gone Leftist (and that EvC is SO far Left it looks neutral to y'all).