Psychology looks at atheism and theism. Also, atheism is tenuous/non-existent/rare ..

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1. Provided evidence that professed atheism enhances mental wellness.

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Irrelevant.-

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2. Provided evidence that atheism exist.

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I did. You refuse to acknowledge it.

Is there any evidence that theists exist?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You wrote: "Irrelevant" in regards to the professed atheist mental health issue. Just because you cannot or will not provide such evidence that atheism enhances mental health does not mean it is irrelevant. For example, if atheist are under mental strain due to running away from God one would expect that professed atheism does not enhance mental health. I could continue but a dismissive "irrelevant" is not exactly great debate since the purpose of debate is to enhance the publics and participants knowledge.Lastly, you seem to be in denial about you providing less than compelling evidence.

TO: JarMartyrdom. We already covered this matter.

No.We would need evidence that people were martyred for their theistic beliefs. And we would need to prove that the reason they were killed was their beliefs, not because the political leaders were looking for scapegoats.And we would need evidence that theists were never unwavering in their theism.And there seems to be evidence that theists (THIS IS A JOKE!) tend to be obsessive with the morality of others, unduly respectful of authority, and tend to believe in fantastical, miraculous claims. Obvious, they are mentally unstable.

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For example, if atheist are under mental strain due to running away from God one would expect that professed atheism does not enhance mental health.

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I should have wrote:For example, if professed atheists are under mental strain due to running away from God one would expect that professed atheism does not enhance mental health.I added a words and a "s" to a word above.

TO: chriropteraI think you need to show that all martyrdom's are political. Nonetheless, that does not diminish the martyrs willingness to die for his belief.Second, you are going off topic again with unsupported assertions.

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I could continue but a dismissive "irrelevant" is not exactly great debate since the purpose of debate is to enhance the publics and participants knowledge.

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Lastly, you seem to be in denial about you providing less than compelling evidence.

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As I said, your unwillingness to accept the testimony of a professed atheist is not exactly great debate, either.-

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For example, if atheist are under mental strain due to running away from God one would expect that professed atheism does not enhance mental health.

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That's a pretty big "if" you got there.

If theist are under mental strain due to knowing they can never live up to God's standards one would expect that professed theism does not enhance mental health. In fact, it would likely lead to suicidal tendencies. I can see why their acquaintances would try to portray it as martyrdom since suicide is just another failure to live up to their belief system.

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If you read the article you posted from the Mayo clinic, you would realize that it says absolutley nothing about athiests. It never mentions them. It is quite possible there were no athiests in either group. For you to make any such assertion, you would have to do a group with just athiests and see how the did compartively. Heck, perhaps they had a better success rate then both groups, since they aren't burdened by self delusion.

I believe you need to address the Mayo Clinic meta study.

TO: darwin stormThe Mayo clinic meta study suggest that theism beliefs or theism related activities is correlated to mental wellness. If professed atheist lack or profess lack of such beliefs or theistic activities this would suggest they lack something correlated with mental health. Next, Vitz's subjects were not exactly paragons of mental health.I would also assert that Dan Barker and the Brights are not exactly indicative of mental health to in that promoting your high IQ or high mental intelligence for no real reason at all is not exactly indicate of mental health.

I would assert that antagonizing atheists, who as a result of apparently having no moral objection to killing you for no reason as well as being crazy to boot, is not indicative of mental health on your part.If we atheists are as crazy as you say and as morally unconstrained as other suggest, maybe you'd better look the fuck out, huh?

Ken, go back and read the article. It talks about active participation in a spirtual life versus not. Most likley, both groups were christians, though there may have been other denominations. If there were athiests, they probably were in both groups, but my guess is that their numbers were either statistically insignifigant (since athiests only account for about 7 percent or less of the population, depending on survey), or were eliminated from either group, since they didn't fit criteria. however, the Mayo clinic doesn't address ANY of those issues, and never mention athiests, so the most logical conlcusion is that data set doesn't. Iapply to athiests (since athiests were neither seperatley accounted for, nor was there a control groups of only athiests). BTW, I do find it interstesting that the difference were less than 2 percent and 3 percent in the major samplings. It would be interesting to see if those percentages fall withing normal statical error ranges.

Oh, my kidney's hurt from laughing. Ohhhhhh .