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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Dan Carroll quote:
______________________________________________________________________ You have claimed that there is a parallel between various, as-yet unnamed college professors, and the Nazi party. I would like you to defend this statement with specific examples. ______________________________________________________________________ What I said/claimed was that ANY university professor who justifies cold blooded murder/suicide bombings is no diiferent from the Nazis who also justified the murder of Jews. I have already posted numerous links evidencing this. I never calimed that the university professors who justify suicide bombings belong to the Nazi party. I linked them because they both are highly educated and they both justify the murder of Jews. Dan Carroll quote:______________________________________________________________________ This would require you to tell us who these professors are, and specifically what they have done that merits such a comparison. ______________________________________________________________________ Then you are claiming that you are unaware of any university professors who justify suicide bombings. This makes you out of touch with recent current events - ignorant. The links already provided contain the facts that these evil rationalizations are being offered. What merits the comparison ? The fact that these super intelligent and educated persons who view themselves as civilized are in reality doing the same thing as Nazis - justifying the murder of Jews. Which makes them skinheads dressed in suits and education. What don't you understand Dan ? (I didn't say agree) Dan Carroll quote:______________________________________________________________________ 1) "The Israeli Government" and "Jews" are not interchangable terms, any more than "apple" and "fruit" are interchangable terms. ______________________________________________________________________ If you want to stipulate that for this debate then fine. But, like it or not the Israeli governmemnt speaks for all its citizens regardless of dissent. Dan Carroll quote:______________________________________________________________________ 2) You have not as yet shown that their statements are due to racial prejudice, rather than a justifiable grievance with the actions of the Israeli government. Refute their logic, and show that racial prejudice is the motivating factor behind their statements. ______________________________________________________________________ It is evidence of racial prejudice. When suicide bombings are justified it is evidence of racial prejudice. How is the justification and whitewashing of suicide bombings justifiable grievance against the actions of the Israeli government ? You can demonize the Israeli governmemt and its policies - fine. What you are really driving at is that suicide/murder bombings are justified because of the policies of the Israeli government. Those policies are RESPONSES to protect Jews from an implacable enemy who haven't even clearly admitted that Israel has a right to exist. Dan Carroll quote:______________________________________________________________________ 3) Explain how excusing a murder is the same as committing it yourself. ______________________________________________________________________ Obviously it is not, but I never said it was. I pointed out that highly educated persons (two groups) have/were justifying the murder of Jews. My point is: University professors who whitewash the murder of Jews are no different than skinheads and Nazis, and of course they themselves would never entertain the notion that they are in fact no different from a Nazi or skinhead. So much for education being the delivering vehicle from the behavior of Nazis and skinheads.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Depends on who is being killed and why.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Trixie quote:
______________________________________________________________________ Willowtree, you seem to be arguing that some highly educated people have criticised Israel ______________________________________________________________________ No. I have argued that some highly educated people have justified cold blooded murder - the suicide bombings. Yes they criticize Israel, like a lot of other peolple do. You are fuzzy and inexact regarding the focus of my laser beam. I never said a part of anything makes the whole the same as the part.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
You are violating Forum guidelines by constantly repeating a lie - that I have not evidenced/provided links.
You are also deliberately choosing to miss the point. The point is that the suicide bombings are whitewashed/justified, this fact is challenged by you not to even exist on one hand, then on the other hand, if it is then there are reasons and the persons doing it are "jerks". For this discussion it is assumed that the bombings are justified, (even though I have supplied several links to that effect) you choose to meander the debate by recognizing the justifications then in the next breath say they don't exist. My claim is basically invulnerable. The only issue is the excuses provided by pro-Palestinian persons. My linkage of the education issue and the accurate comparison to Nazis is absolutely correct, howbeit, an opinion. Your choice is to quit the debate or cry baby your lie that no evidence has been provided and hope your mommy/Admin comes rescues you.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Forget about high tech devices, what difference does it make if the means to kill is high tech or low tech ?
Israel RESPONDS to attacks and threats, this makes their actions self defense and thus completely justified. Israel also punishes terrorism via various methods, again, this is a response to offensive actions perpetrated by an implacable enemy. Persons like you, exhibit a modern and warped view of justice, that each side is somehow responsible equally. The Palestinians perfectly demomstrate the hypocrisy of this demon-controlled world. Their society is as politically incorrect as can be yet these facts are totally ignored by the West, if this were South Africa there would be protests ad nauseum. Palestinian hate is overlooked, no other important people would be given this exemption if it wasn't that Jews are involved.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
You overlook the fact that the Nazis justified the killing of Jews.
University professors provide the justifications for those who are doing the killing today. The contortions attempted to insulate these rats is unbelievable ! Glad you agree that we cleared this up. This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 05-06-2004 03:44 PM
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
My ears are ringing !
"they have no other course of action" "they are hopelessly downtrodden and persecuted by the Israelis" "it is their land and their hands are tied with no other means to resist" Or any number of variations of the above. How about accepting the 1967 terms for peace, terms that are no longer available because of unquenchable Palestinian hate. How about recognizing Israel's right to exist ? How much of PLO leadership have done this ? This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 05-06-2004 05:54 PM
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Cynic1 quote:
______________________________________________________________________ The university professors you have a beef with may be rats, but they are not causing GENOCIDE and are thus not the monsters that Nazis were. ______________________________________________________________________ I never claimed they were causing genocide. I claimed they were providing the rationale for cold blooded murder. Nazis had their rationales for murdering Jews, and as you know THERE ARE NONE ! Which means the university professors who whitewash the murder of Jews are doing the exact same thing that Nazis did.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Don't get too fond of Dan - he is gay.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Would you please stop the yelling Dan ?
All caps is considered rude and irrational, not mention the font size.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Dan you are alright
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
None.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
I went to Google and typed "professors justify suicide bombings", and this is what I found:
http://www.freeman.org/m_online/jul03/alexander.htm http://www.arielbeery.com/archives/000356.html The Homepage of Professor Ted Honderich Jihad 101 :: Middle East Quarterly There are hundreds more but this is a sampling.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Your point is well taken.
Are you saying for the most part that the professors in question have been misrepresented ? This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 05-07-2004 06:20 PM
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
But in fairness to myself I haven't generalized, I have been very specific to only indict certain persons. Its a "if the shoe fits sort of thing."
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