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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Ron Wyatt is daid. And most likely in Hell.
As research on your own, go to Ron's site and look up the analysis of the rivet from the Ark. It's worth it for a laugh. Now two questions. What lab did the analysis of the alleged rivet? How the hell did Noah get Titanium? During the Bronze age? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
When you see some of those names, run, don't walk, to the nearest exit.
Richard Rives, having become acquainted with an international corporation which specialized in metallurgy, made arrangements for the "rivet" to be analyzed in their laboratory. The guy is a nutcase. Check out his improved microscope. Note that they don't say who did the analysis. They implie that it was Galbraith Labs in Knoxville, Tennessee but there is nothing connecting the results with anything and the sample has gone missing. It's classic Ron Wyatt and crew. They are liars and con men. One hundred years ago they wouold have been selling snake oil from the back of a wagon and holding revivals on the weekends. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, spend some time at the site. If you can honestly look at his evidence and not come away laughing your ass off, then fine. Come back and say YOU believe and that will be accepted. Ask us to believe and we'll laugh OUR asses off.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The section in the red circle is alleged to be an exposed part of the structure of the ark itself while the blue lines are alleged to be the outline of the boat. Because it's curved they believe it outlines one of the side structures.
It's been an issue since the photos were released in the late 70's IIRC. But it simply looks like a rocky outcrop and a ridge line to many. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
This is a double post. First time around I got an internal server error. I used the back button tried to resubmit and then found the earlier attempt had succeeded.
This message has been edited by jar, 09-15-2004 10:28 AM Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The story from Ron's site is even better.
When an object undergoes the process of fossilization, as its material decays it is replaced by material in the surrounding soil or water. The analysis revealed exactly what would be expected to be found in a fossilized metal washer and rivet (non-living matter) attached to a piece of fossilized wood (once living matter). Note:The discovery of titanium in the "Rivet" is of special interest. The advantage of titanium as a metal is its tremendous strength, its light weight and its resistance to corrosion. All of the analyses performed on the "Rivet" found it to contain Iron, Aluminum, Manganese, Vanadium and Chromium. These elements are known today to be the major alloying agents added to titanium. Note that they found fossilized metal. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I wish I could make a computer model of what I am saying to cleary show you guys. Actually, you don't need a computer model.
Here is a calculator for the volume of a sphere. Go there and calculate two spheres. One at the base radius of the Earth. The other at the base radius plus enough to float the Ark. Then convert the answer to whichever measuring unit you want to use. Once you get it worked out, all you need is the mechanism that will maintain the cycle for the year or so that the Ark floated around and the mechanism that reversed the flow to float the boat back up the mountain. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
How much water will it take to float the Ark?
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
To try to get this back on topic, can I get you to answer the question in Message 49.
Maybe if we take this one small step at a time we can get somewhere. Is it likely the Ark existed if there was not enough water to float it? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I would guess it needed at least 20 feet to float, buts thats just a guess. Okay, step two. Do you agree that we now need a section of water that is at least twenty feet deep and bigger than the Ark to float the sucker? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Wait! Running flood waters could move the ark into deeper water, without it being 20 feet, but the bible doesn't describe it that way. Not really. If it takes 20 feet to float it it takes 20 feet to float it whether it's still or moving. Agreed? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Okay, let's go on to the next step.
We need to have 20 feet of water at the location of the Ark and for a considerable distance around it. Will you agree that the flooded area has to be at least as far as anyone can see or travel (using the methods common back in Noah's day) in a reasonable period of time (less time than the 40 days and 40 nights of rain)? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I have to see what your getting at, you can go a little faster. Maybe, but I've found that if we go one step at a time and make sure we are agreed about each step then it makes it quicker overall. So we both agree that we need 20 feet of water over an area larger than anyone could normally travel in 40 days at the time of the alleged flood. So what mechanism could you propose that would allow that? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, let's look at some major floods. We could start close to home. How deep does the water get when the Mississippi floods?
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Let's talk about the Great Flood of 1993 since that is the one that you picked. It certainly was a major event and can be used as an example of what we have been saying.
First, the depth of 49.3 feet above flood stage is a reading in the levied channels. That is not the depth of flooding once the waters overflowed the levies and spread out. Second, it was one of the most extensive floods recorded and also one of the best documented. Look at this map from the USGS.
It shows the actual extent of flooding during the 1993 Mississippi flood. As you can see, even though many, many areas were flooded, the vast majority of the ajoining land was not. Even in the floded areas, the depth outside the levie system seldom reached more than a few feet, and no where did it reach twenty feet.
Check out these USGS photos of the flooding. In them you will see mobile homes almost covered. That indicates a depth of about ten feet or so. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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