The bible and homosexuality: Round 3

SLF Well the mouth,vagina,and penis are also harbouring many nasty germs and sometimes diseases that are not necessarily noticable at all stages so if you want to be healthy stay away from all of it.Don't you think that would be even better than simply eliminating anal sex?

Hopefully you realize that homosexuality does not equal anal sex.Many heterosexuals engage in anal sex, and many homosexuals do not. What, specifically, are "immoral sexual acts"?

You are totally missing the point. The point isn't if it is moral or not. We already know that people like you think it's immoral. The point is why you think it is immoral. Stop saying that it is immoral and actually give us reasons why from your holy book.

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Many who have same sex attraction are not repulsed by the opposite sex, and many, such as yourself, are. Why is this?

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Because sexuality, just like any other trait in a species, can be plotted on a smooth distribution?Either end will be strongly same- or opposite-sex attracted, and the middle will be some combination of being attracted to both genders.I think that the graph will not be symmetrical; the spike will be weighted heavily towards the opposite sex-attracted, but it is still a bell curve rather than an either-or situation.

I find it curious, Phatboy, that you quote the commandment "Love thy neighbor as thyself" in your post. One wonders precisely which of those five words you have difficulty understanding.This message has been edited by berberry, 11-09-2004 12:01 AM

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Many gays are immature. Emotionally stunted. They are 20 something with a teenage emotional makeup. They are frozen at the age at which they first experienced sex

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...and this is different from most heterosexual men HOW, exactly?(ans women, for that matter)This message has been edited by schrafinator, 11-09-2004 12:10 AM

Well, that's certainly my view as well, but I guess you didn't read very closely, because I wasn't talking about anal sex at all, but rather, oral sex.There's nothing that gay people do that straight people don't do as well; what makes it ok when the straights do it, but not the gays? Well, I disagree that the acts are immoral, simply because of the reason that God makes people want to do them.And it's certainly not the case that the genetic basis for homosexuality is sme kind of detrimental mutation; rather, the gene (supposing it is one) appears to have significant kin selective benefit. God didn't make gay people by mistake; rather, God made gay people because in some situations it's beneficial to have a gay relative.

(1) You've already made sure that I won't be starting any topic in the future.(2) I am a "tolerant left", not a pacifist. We have shown again and again in the past that there is no bible passage that can be used to condemn homosexuality without contradicting oneself. Yet, gay bashers on this forum continue to say "the bible says blah blah blah". It is like topics like transitional fossils and direct observance of new traits. The question is do you, or the other people that think this topic should be lay to rest, think that we should just say nothing the next time a creationist says "there is no transitional fossils... evolution has never been observed... evolution sucks..."?Why isn't this post in suggestion & question section?I want to make sure that the gay bashers here realize that I aim to show them, with threads like this, that they are (1) ignorant of their own holy book, (2) damn liars, or (3) too blinded by their bigotry to see that the bible does not condemn homosexuality or say that it is a sin.Again, the question is am I suppose to sit around and let people like phatboy, paisano, buzsaw, and other damn liars continue to bash gay people using their holy book even though their holy book either says no such thing or makes no sense?

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For what it's worth, I agree with Lam. This issue is perpetual because the bible continues to be used to condemn gays. There needs to be some place where bigotry against gays is allowed to be challenged because it is NOT going to go away.I don't see this as any different than other perpetual topics like the flood and the big bang. This issue is front and center in our culture today. Why does it weary you so?

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Am I that unloveable or unloving? What did I do? I know that same sex attraction is inborn. All that I maintain is that if a person loves God first, allowing His Spirit to fill them, they will be less concerned with their "right" to have sex with another. I am not attacking homosexuality...I just do not see the need to marry as being of high priority. Love God and desire holiness and love from His Spirit, and nobody will attack your orientations....but if you trumpet about with the "right" to marry, you will be scrutinized. Now, Lam, I am not attacking you. Why are you putting me on the hate list. My family voted for Kerry, for petes sake! I may be spiritual, but I am not your garden variety fundie.

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I know that same sex attraction is inborn.

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OK, that's good.

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All that I maintain is that if a person loves God first, allowing His Spirit to fill them, they will be less concerned with their "right" to have sex with another.

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Are straights who love God first and allow his spirit to fill them less concerned with their rights to love and have sex with whom they choose as well?If so, what can you show as evidence that this is true?

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I am not attacking homosexuality...I just do not see the need to marry as being of high priority.

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Well, gay people do see it as an area where secular rights are being denied to them on a religious basis, and they would be right.It is inappropriate for the religious majority to hold hostage a purely secular legal contract granted by our secular government.

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Love God and desire holiness and love from His Spirit, and nobody will attack your orientations....but if you trumpet about with the "right" to marry, you will be scrutinized.

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There is no secular basis to deny gay people marriage.There is only a religious basis to deny them.Nobody says that your church has to marry gay people.They want to be able to have legal SECULAR MARRIAGES.

however equate to sex without marriage and that is forbidden as in fornication.Homosexuality is a useless practice in that it does not assure procreation. Certainly the creation of Adam and Eve without a Steve in sight, would indicate the primary reason for sex and that is to be fruitful and multiply. Homosexuality is inverted behavior. Aside from sex it has no purpose.
Don't bother to tell me about couples who cannot have children because of circumstances such as illness, etal. It has nothing to do with what sex was 'invented' to do.
This discussion goes round and round, and at the end of each lap, stands God with 'Adam and Eve I have made them' and nothing other than that.

You know, Phatboy, there were a lot of "tolerant" types like you around during the civil rights movement. I can still remember this argument from way back then: "If black people would just pay more attention to God's word and keep Jesus first in their lives, they'd be satisfied with things the way they are and wouldn't waste so much time worrying about their rights."In other words, it's ungodly to insist on equal protection under the law if it is you yourself who feels the need for protection.Can you please point to the bible passage that supports this nonsense?

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I feel so incredibly sorry for you. But I really feel exceptionally sorry for any woman you happen to be sleeping with.

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"If I had to write ten jokes about potholders, I don't think I could do it. But I could write ten jokes about Catholicism in the next twenty minutes. I guess I'm drawn to religion because I can be provocative without harming something people really care about, like their cars."
-George Meyer, Simpsons writer

I'm still wondering why it is that certain admins are getting tired of hearing about homosexuality. One has even warned against starting another homosexuality topic after this one dies. I want to know why it is that they feel this topic is done with when in fact it's just getting started. Our nation is taking steps to marginalize us and it seems that some admins feel that we shouldn't even be allowed to complain about it. The idea seems to be that when some eristic, ignorant fundie brings up more sophistry against gays, we gays are supposed to keep our mouths shut. I'm not willing to accept that.If it's only because the issue keeps resurfacing with the same pro and con arguments, then fairness should dictate that the same standard be applied to all other recurring topics, of which there are dozens on these boards.

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