A question for Athiests/Evolutionists. (re: How can one not belive in something greater than himself? et all)

I can agree with your statement to a point, but I would like to see some scientific proof on your part for why God doesn't exist. I know that I can't offer any true scientific proof of God, only explainations that can go with science to a degree. Anyways, I think that the Christians who fear death only do so because the idea of Heaven is different from what we're used to.
In Heaven, there is no sickness, no pain, no suffering, etc. The idea that there is a place like that scares some people, just as the idea of the universe being infinate scares some people because it is so different.

Oh, well thank you for correcting me.

My statement was not meant to give his actions any excuses, but to merely explain them. Following the instructions of demons is in no way forgivable. As for Bush, I think that he is doing his best for the U.S.A, even if people don't always agree with him. As for those who died fighting, it was their choice. I am unsure about the casualties numbers.

You'll never see scientific proof that god doesn't exist since it's not logically possible to prove a negative like that. On the same note, you'll never see scientific proof that faeries, pixies, the easter bunny or Santa don't exist either. In fact, there will be an infinite number of beliefs that can't be disproved (well, as many beliefs as the human imagination can cup up with anyway). That's why it's not possible (for me anyway) to just believe something.

In addition to want Happy said, you have to understand that science actually says nothing about God and never will. The idea of God is untestable using scientific methodology.

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My statement was not meant to give his actions any excuses, but to merely explain them. Following the instructions of demons is in no way forgivable.

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I see what you are saying, but shifting the explanation to "demons told me and I listened" is still making up some other thing to explain where the idea or origin of horrible acts comes from.People come up with all sorts of terrible things to do all by themselves.The sooner we learn to deal with this reality the better the human race will be able to understand why people become this way.It is just a needless, meaningless distraction to ascribe the motivations of human behavior to magical creatures like angels or demons.

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As for Bush, I think that he is doing his best for the U.S.A, even if people don't always agree with him.

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I'm not so sure he's doing his best.If he is doing his best, it certainly isn't near good enough to be president of the US.

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As for those who died fighting, it was their choice. I am unsure about the casualties numbers.

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I wasn't talking about fighters.I was talking about 100,000 civilian Iraqi casualties.

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He does speak to us, but we are to stupid to hear Him.

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But God is all-powerful, right?Why doesn't god either;1) Make us not stupid so we can hear him, or2) Speak to us in such a way so as to make it 100% unambiguous to every single person on the plantet exactly what He is saying?

I assume because He wishes us to try to listen to Him. And again, free will comes into play. He does not make us love Him because He wants us to choose to love Him. Would you prefer to be feared and be the reciever of false love, or would you wish to be the reciever of true love?

Hmm, you'd think someone would have heard such a great number on T.V or on the radio...I know I haven't...Humans, to my way of thinking, start out with some silly little idea like "I want to kill him because he made fun of me". Demons can take these small ideas and turn them into "I want to kill every person in the world because they all make fun of me." from that homocidal thought comes planning. Demons take advantage of people, thought it doesn't at all excuse the person's actions. I don not belive that it is in the human nature to commit such terrible things, but it is in the nature of sin.

Actually, Santa Claus was based on a real man, but that's off topic. Most of you have been offering me scientific things that can contradict my ideas and still make sense. Some of you, on the other hand, have only told me that I am wrong and do not give me any reasons. I am trying to give explainations for my statements, though it is difficult because I am speaking as a Christian, and Christians have little evidence of God.

I am a girl, and I my family is mostly constructed of women. That is an opinion of mine, and I was not trying to make it seem a fact. I have caught myself, my mum, and every other woman in my family, and my friends doing to many things at once and end up messing things up worse than they were. If it make anyone feel better, since this is starting to annoy me, I shall say that the women in my town seem to be scatter brained and try to multitask overly much.

There are a few who want to try to say that God doesn't exist and that they can prove it in some way. I call them "Dawkinists" since that is a stance of Richard Dawkins. That is an unnecessarily extreme postition in my view even though I'm not a believer.If someone doesn't back up what they claim (such as saying you are wrong) you are entitled to ask for details to support that claim. In fact, a job of the admins is to enforce that rule.To many, science and religion are separate and they don't have a problem with that. It is those who try to mix the two up (Dawkinists and literalists) that make things more difficult. However, there are those who will point out that if you describe some very specific details about a specific god then that can be shown to be wrong. The majority of those who do things that allow for the disproving of God are the so-called Christians who are literalists and try to put forth ideas that are basically not religious but rather scientific. (Some that do that are non-believers of course but the largest numbers are Christians like some that visit us here.)Try not to muddle the two concepts up and don't let anyone off easily if they try to say you are wrong about something. You should, of course, be couteous enough to read and understand any reasons they offer.This message has been edited by NosyNed, 11-27-2004 04:52 PM

I understand that one can't just disprove God since He can't be scientificly proven real. And yes, I read everything that someone replies to me, and I also must warn that sometimes you have to read my entire post in order to understand it. I get a little scattered.

I hope you will accept any suggestions that some of those who are less scattered make to help with that. It may not be me. Or at least shouldn't be.

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I assume because He wishes us to try to listen to Him.

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But there are many, many people who never have the opportunity to learn about your particular concept of God.There are also lots of people who do hear about your concept of God, do try with all their hearts to hear Him, but don't.

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And again, free will comes into play. He does not make us love Him because He wants us to choose to love Him. Would you prefer to be feared and be the reciever of false love, or would you wish to be the reciever of true love?

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I am not talking about God making us love him.I am talking about God making it 100% clear that He exists.You could choose to love or not after God's existence is established.