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Author Topic:   Were there Dinosaurs in the Bible?
Fire_Hazard
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Message 199 of 222 (167416)
12-12-2004 3:31 PM


There are plenty of scripture references of dinosaurs in the Bible try these:
Psalms 74:13; 91:13; 148:7
Isaiah 43:20
Job 40; 41
And may I say you mentioned earlier that most Christian's do not understand evolution and I do not doubt that there is an amount of veracity to this, but at the same time are you going to tell me that evolutionists do? And the fact that you say the Bible does not mention men and dinosaurs lived together tells me right there you do not understand our beliefs.

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Fire_Hazard
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Message 204 of 222 (167883)
12-13-2004 10:20 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by jar
12-12-2004 3:59 PM


Actually I think this link shows a good deal of evidence of Dinosaurs and Humans coexsisting:
Dinosaur and Human Co-existence: FOOTPRINTS
What makes it all the worse is that the above is from a simple google search...amazing what happens when you do some actual digging, here have another link:
More Evidence that Dinosaurs and Man Co-existed !
Plus are you really unable to see the Bible talking about dinosaurs in those references, I figured that most would consider a dragon a dinosaur guess not, I did however notice you did not mention the passages from Job so here let me show you, by the way this is God showing his strength above even the Leviathan which most scolars will agree is probably what we consider a Bracciasauras or however you spell it:
Job 41:
1 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down? 2 Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn? 3 Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft words unto thee? 4 Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever? 5 Wilt thou play with him as with a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens? 6 Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants? 7 Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his head with fish spears? 8 Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more. 9 Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not one be cast down even at the sight of him? 10 None is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me?
By the way, this was all easily accessed by doing a Biblical search at Read the Bible. A free Bible on your phone, tablet, and computer. | The Bible App | Bible.com which just goes to show even us average Joes who couldnt possible comprehend evolution are able to get in and at least defend the only moral thing left in society today.
GOD BLESS

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Fire_Hazard
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Message 208 of 222 (168204)
12-14-2004 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by jar
12-13-2004 10:37 PM


Jar, you have to be just the most repulsive person on the earth to sit there and make the claim that you are a christian but then support evolution; it is spitting in the face of God, to go as far as to say His word is untrue and defend evolution is repulsive and hypocritical, the idea of even hearing you say those words sickens and shocks me, so before you start laughing at me for actually trusting my faith how bout you reexamin your own because sounds like God is going to be doing some serious work in your life. Now to actually go out and say the theory of evolution is full proof and factual is arrogant, am I to understand the idea of an all-knowing, all-poweful, loving God creating the universe is hard to believe, but that false science, mathmatical improbabilities, and constant bombardment of all that is morally right, is easy to believe because by accepting this "theory" which should be considered a hypothesis since it can not be proven is horrendous, and frankly arrogant. And since I am sure you are going to come back with how can you prove what you say, let me just say a couple of things, since evolution has been introduced to our soceities it has spread like cancer, infecting different avenues of life, and now it is being taught in our schools, even though the Senate has ruled it to be a religion, which just goes to show more stupidity. Since you believe in evolution, I guess it is safe to suggest that you believe in survival of the fittest, which I will say is basically true, in the animal kingdom, and maybe the business world, but it should have no standing in soceity. Too bad for the unborn children that are going to be killed today because they are helpless, and what by the above law would be considered, "unfit" since they cant survive. Is this what you really what to claim to...a foundational belief system that leaves men spiritually bankrupt?
And you know what being that I am still really young and inexpierenced with the world, I can not prove dinosaurs exsisted besides what I read in the Bible, which I believe to be true, as does any Christian who honestly believes in Christ. Like I said I maybe really inexpierence with the world, but from what you have demonstrated it is not something I am looking forward to...

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Fire_Hazard
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Message 210 of 222 (168216)
12-14-2004 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by Coragyps
12-14-2004 5:26 PM


yah ruled a religion in 1961 Torcaso v Watkins:
-"Among religions in this country which do not teach what would generally be considered a belief in the exsistence of God are Buddhism, Taoism, Ethical Culture, SECULAR HUMANISM, and others."
What does Secular Humanism teach when concerning creation of the universe and the world EVOLUTION so talk about hypocrits in our own Senate. The problem is it didnt receive as much publicity because Secular Humanism was dominating and they kept it under tight wraps.
So if it is so wrong to teach the Bible in schools how can we teach evolution?

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Fire_Hazard
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Message 216 of 222 (168232)
12-14-2004 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by crashfrog
12-14-2004 6:01 PM


Just because the public schools tell kids to capatilize the words God and Bible does not mean they teach the Bible, as for the fact that I have no proof of the Bible I will tell you that I have checked it and can give you facts proving the Bible:
We have put the Bible through 3 important tests of to prove historical reliability,
1.The Bibliographical Test
2.The Internal Evidence Test
3.The External Evidence Test
Bibliographical-
Good rule of thumb is when you are dating manuscripts the closer you get to the original the more accurate. We have 24,633 surviving manuscripts of the Bible, using these we can recreate all but of eleven verses of the New Testament and guess what they match.
Internal-
Just like when a person is accused of a crime, the document is question is considered innocent of Historical Inaccuracies until proven guilty. The fact that the Bible was written primarily by eye witnesses helps add to its Historical evidence, especially since all the accounts match and do not contradict. Plus these men were willing to die for what they wrote, give me a writer today who is willing to die for what he believes bet Dan Brown wouldnt despite the controversial subjects discussed in his books?
External-
During this test you are trying to find some outside group or manuscript that confirms the document in concern, in this case the Bible: Back in the first century heretics, who would definetly be considered an outside group when it comes to the Bible, could not question the reliabilty of the sciptures.
Now this basically covers your New Testament, and do not think because of lack of manuscript evidence for Old testament that it is untrue, Because there were things in placed that protected the O.T. from being perverted: I.E. scribes, back before they were able to print documents, were forbidden to write anything from memory, and if a single mistake was found from their copy to the original text it was burned. More so the Dead Sea scrolls which date back to 125 B.C. was a copy of the book or Isaiah and guess what they matched.
Keep in mind the above proofs dont even begin to get in to Messianic prophecy! So tell me again how the Bible is untruest worth...cause then if need be I can show you examples of Biblical truths. Oh and please show me where the Bible is contradictory because that is one thing I would love to see?

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