Focus on the Family Will Keep your Kid from Being Gay

I don't think I like 'em in the same way you and dobson like 'em, crashfrog.

Well, I don't want to watch them make out, that's for sure.

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But on the other hand, given the fact that - as you mention - we in America have been conditioned to think that nudity = sex, it doesn't surprise me at all that people DO think that nudity = sex.

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No, no, berberry, the culture doesn't influence people to think that at all, and if it does, then people are stupid to be suceptible to such influence.(no need to reply, I'm just giving holmes a jab)

Yeah, sure, that's a real Newton quote.It sure does sound like something a super intelligent, arrogant nobleman from the 1700's would have written.LOL!

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Are you telling me that I don't have the right to find certain things creepy?

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Yeah.I have found that what holmes says is all about liking diversity of opinion and taste, but the subtext is often all about portraying his own opinion and taste as superior to all others.

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And I really do feel that FOR ME my opinions and tastes are superior, just as others might be for them. Remember I am a subjectivist.

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Well, I really get the feeling much of the time that you believe that your opinions and tastes are superior to everyone else's.

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When he starts bombing innocent people, I'll call him radical.

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So, do you consider Randall Terry a terrorist?

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A lot of the country voted against Bush, but most voted for him. Maybe the majority are thus "far right."

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That is inaccurate.A very slight majority of voters voted for Bush.By my math, that means that just under 33% of US adults voted for Bush.That is hardly a majority of adult US citizens, and you must remember that people who actually turn up and vote are not a random sample.Here's my info source from the US Census.

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Most Americans are tolerant of homosexuality, but have mixed feelings on the subject. Most don't like the political aspect of homosexuality being used a wedge issue among liberals to demonize conservative religious sentiments as wrong.

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WOW!Talk about a great spinmiester!The religious homophobes who constantly characterize homosexuality as a sin, shameful, disgusting, and criminal, and have aren't the ones using the issue as a political wedge, it's the liberals who want to extend secular equal rights to everyone regardless of what some people believe is their right to deny them solely because of their religious beliefs.

Tal.We didn't have 100% turnout in the last presidential election, remember?Just under 33% of eligable voters voted for Bush.That's hardly a majority of Americans.

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Let me add that most Americans don't want their kids to grow up and be gay, and so are in one respect fundemantally in agreement with Dobson in that respect. They may be more tolerant of homosexuality, not think it is a sin, but if they could do something to help insure their child's heterosexuality, most would do so, imo.

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Let me add that most racially pure white Americans don't want their kids to grow up and get married to a nigger, and so are in one respect fundemantally in agreement with Christian White Supremicists in that respect. They may be more tolerant of white men getting a little hot brown sugar for kicks, not think it is a sin, but if they could do something to help make sure their child marries someone of their own race by making interracial marrige illegal, most would do so, imo.

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Everyone at my church thinks it is. Everyone in my family but 2 people thinks it is. All my neighbors think it is. Everyone in my work building thinks it is.

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Wow, isn't that amazing?The people you hang around with also think a lot like you do?Who would have thunk it?You think that because a small group of voluntary friends, family and aquaintances feel the same, therefore everyone else in the country feels just like you do?Let me also remind you that this only applies to those who feel comfortable telling you their views on this issue, many of which you cannot be certain of because there is certainly some intense social pressure to follow what everybody else says in your little world.Using your logic, the fact that something like 85% of voters in my town voted to allow gay marriage (and that's around 80,000 people voted in favor of it) allows me to believe that the rest of the country also shares this view!Damn, Tal, you are SUCH a typical small-minded American.

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I can hardly wait for the campaign against domestic violence to emerge with the same fury as the religious right's indignation at the notion of gay marriage.

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Amen to that.

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The average homosexual earns more than the average heterosexual. The idea that America is discriminatory overall towards homosexuals is absurd.

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If an employer wants to fire or not hire an employee for being gay, it is perfectly within their rights to do so, and this happens all the time.It used to be legal to do that to blacks as well, but it isn't anymore.Gay people do not have the same constitutional protections as the rest of us.

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Now, I realize on margin, that one can make an argument that plenty of gay families have children too, but at the same time, there is no reason for a gay couple's union to produce offspring. The motive on a statistical level just is not there to confer the same protections via recognizing marriage that existed for government to do so historically with heterosexual unions.

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So, in your view, is the only valid marriage one that produces children?Are marriages between men and women who choose to not have children not worth endorsing?

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In general, the concerns I have seen with homosexual unions can be addressed adequately by civil unions.

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I think the government should get out of the marriage business altogether and grant only civil unions.If you want a religious marriage, then you go get one.This message has been edited by AdminJar, 08-21-2005 12:33 PM