Focus on the Family Will Keep your Kid from Being Gay

I stopped reading here.

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'Now isn't it amazing. I tell you that nobody made a simple toy like that (solar system model) and you don't believe me. Yet you gaze out into the solar System - the intricate marvelous machine that is around you - and you dare say to me that no one made that. I don't believe it'. -Sir Isaac Newton

It doesn't say he is a radical. It says he is a radical cleric, which implies he is no different from radical muslim clerics which we kill, deport, and jail on a regular basis.I'm simply pointing out the adjective as BS.

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"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." John Stuart Mill

When he starts bombing innocent people, I'll call him radical.Until then, he has free speach, just like everyone else. You aren't sure? Then do some research. Muqtada al-Sadr - Wikipedia

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"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." John Stuart Mill

No, hate speach would be, "Let's kill homosexuals."Homosexuality is morally wrong. That isn't hate speach. That's called an opinion. Yep, and when Dobsin starts fomenting and perpertrating crimes, I'll be the first to say he's radical.

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"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." John Stuart Mill

The only way defeat an insurgency is to give show the insurgents that they have a better opportunity through the political system than by insurgency.But I'm sure you knew that.Radical Clerics are not confined to Iraq. The US, Britain, and other countries have deported or jailed these people for their REAL hate speach such as, "Kill all non-believers whever you find them..."Allow me a question. What makes Dobsin a radical? What is his view on homosexuality? What is his solution to the percieved problem of homosexuality?This message has been edited by Tal, 08-18-2005 01:24 PM

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"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." John Stuart Mill

See, you aren't listening. We tell EVERYONE that they are evil and are going to Hell because they are born into sin. Homosexuality is simply another sin. Then we say that Christ died to cover ALL of our sins. Everyone can be forgiven. That is the message. Mr Hysom is an idiot. Where has Mr. Dobson ever said, anywhere, to kill homosexuals for any reason? You know what, forget it. I'll start a thread on this subject.

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"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." John Stuart Mill

Wow jar, do you really believe the crap you post? That is really weak. Al Sadr=Cleric

Come on. Jar knows Al Sadr is a cleric. What was the point of the post? He was simply being difficult IMO.

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"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." John Stuart Mill

Notice homosexuality is not the only offense in there. If one believes the bible it is the same thing. What ideas are those? Give me a source please. Anyone can say they hate the US. That isn't hate speach. Anyone can say we are all heathen dogs. That isn't hate speach. If you say, "I want to violenly overthrow the US government, kill its troops or its citizens," then that is hate speach and sedition. Sedition is a Felony.

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"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." John Stuart Mill

lol, good, reliable link.Where does Dobsin promote this guy?This message has been edited by Tal, 08-18-2005 02:50 PM

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"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." John Stuart Mill

No, I mean Clerics. Britain bars/expels a fewFrance Expels a fewFew face treason charges in BritainHere is an excellent story that really fits the topic. Muslim Clerics disrupt same sex weddingInteresting. One arrested in IndonesiaUS tosses one in prison for seditionSo on and so forth.What you have to understand is that the Clerics are the teachers and instigators of the terrorists acts. The boys and girls they send as triggermen are just that, triggermen. They are brainwasheed by these extremists. These Clerics say, "Hey, you know what would be fun? Go blow yourself up to kill some infadels and get some virgins, I'm going for a cheeseburger at Arbys." They send out these kids to do there dirty work (blowing other kids and civillians up), when they don't have the courage to face our military. These extremists Clerics (notice extremists, which only accounts for about 10% of the Islamic religion which is only 100,000,000 people) are the problem.This message has been edited by Tal, 08-19-2005 09:40 AM

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"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." John Stuart Mill

No, I just want a reliable source. If I claim something, the onus is always on me to provide a reliable source and you will hold my feet to the fire to provide it. The onus is not on me to google what you claim.This message has been edited by Tal, 08-19-2005 09:54 AM

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"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." John Stuart Mill

Fully agree with you! However, Corinthians 6:9,10 still says no homosexuality. Corinthians isn't apart of the old covenant, it is a letter directed towards christians.

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"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." John Stuart Mill

You can advocate anything you want in our scociety based on your religious principles. It is called freedom of speach. Conservative political views ARE the traditional, constitutional views that has existed in America since the 1700s. You and the other left wingers are in the minority non-traditional ideas. So how does Dobsin's idea that a man's son seeing his penis eqivocate to an Islam Cleric telling children to go blow people up?

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"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." John Stuart Mill

His beliefs aren't radical. They are traditional conservative values. He believes in changing social issues via influence and ideas through his represtatives in Congress. That's the way it is done in America, except with the case of abortion, which was legislated from the Supreme Court. Now you have judges telling law makers what laws they have to make on homosexuality!Liberal ideas are the minority and are radical. You are 100% accurate here. I do see most things in black and white, right and wrong if those things are spelled out in the bible. If it is black and white in the bible, so am I. If it is a grey area not specifically mentioned in the bible, I am flexible.Dobsin, or any muslic cleric, has the right to voice their opinion on social issues in this country. Just because lefties think he is a radical cleric doesn't make him so, and using that phrase IS an attempt to correlate fundamentalist christians with extremist muslims.

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"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." John Stuart Mill