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nwr
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Message 173 of 317 (235176)
08-21-2005 1:11 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by randman
08-21-2005 12:04 AM


Re: stench of hypocrisy
So when a student that chooses to sing a Christmas carol when asked to choose a song is told she cannot do that because it's religious, that's not your crowd, eh?
As far as I can tell, students still sing carols in school.
When Christmas displays are banned from public property, that's not the folks in "agreement with" you, eh?
There are lots of Christmas displays on public property. (Well, not now, but check back in December).

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nwr
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Message 175 of 317 (235180)
08-21-2005 1:37 AM
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08-21-2005 1:23 AM


Re: stench of hypocrisy
Plenty of displays have been legally challenged and removed.
Some have. But many continue without challenge. I guess it depends on whether they are seen as an establishment of religion.
Kids have been banned from singing carols at school or school-related events. My daughter was asked to pick her favorite holiday song to perform as a 3rd grader, and when she picked Silent Night, they told her she could not do that one.
As far as I know, this is mainly school decisions. Some schools have over-reacted to first amendment cases.
There has been a sustained, coordinated and uncalled for attack to create hostility towards religion in general and to seek to denigrate any religious-based values as improper.
That is the story that the religious right tells. But it is false.
The push for gay marriage, while possible having some impetus outside of that anti-religion campaign, is nonetheless a part of that.
It's my impression that the push for gay marriage is coming from the gay community, and is happening within the churches as much as elsewhere.
The religious right likes to paint a picture of religion under attack. Its a false picture.

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nwr
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Message 195 of 317 (235274)
08-21-2005 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by randman
08-21-2005 2:05 PM


Re: Tal is right
I also explained how marriage is a religious insistution and alluded to the cross-over effect there.
Marriage really comes from the culture. It has been adopted by religion, but it does not come from religion.
The strange thing is that the religious right wants a constitutional amendment that will permanently make marriage a government institution. What are they thinking?

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