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08-17-2005 6:14 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by crashfrog
08-17-2005 6:03 PM

not to perpuate a bad slang usage of the word, but.

dude. that's gay.

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Message 57 of 317 (234587)
08-18-2005 3:13 PM

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08-18-2005 2:28 PM

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV): "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters, nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God

Notice homosexuality is not the only offense in there.

Leviticus 18:22 (KJV): "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind it is abomination."

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination:

It's one thing to say "murder is evil" or "theft is evil." It's another to say "having sex is evil if it involves someone of the same gender even if it's not rape."

If one believes the bible it is the same thing.

well, tal, like you said in the other thread -- we're ALL sinners according to the law. i could list sins that i'm sure nearly 100% of christians would commit all of on a regular basis, with no intention of stopping or reforming.

paul (whom i'm not sure i agree with) argues that we gentile christians are not held to the same laws and covenants as the jews are. they are defined by their covenant, we are defined by our covenant. their covenant (circumcision) comes with laws. our covenant (jesus) comes with faith.

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Message 64 of 317 (234676)
08-18-2005 9:01 PM

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08-18-2005 5:48 PM

Are you basing this statement on Romans 2:25-29? Just curious

actually, i was thinking galations 5, but they say more or less the same thing.

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Message 66 of 317 (234682)
08-18-2005 9:17 PM

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08-18-2005 9:14 PM

It is largely summed up in Gal 5:6 "the only thing that counts is faith, expressing itself through love."

i think so. it's a pretty good argument, too.

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Message 120 of 317 (234953)
08-19-2005 10:19 PM

Reply to: Message 73 by Tal
08-19-2005 10:02 AM

Fully agree with you!

see? it happens. ok, maybe not:

However, Corinthians 6:9,10 still says no homosexuality. Corinthians isn't apart of the old covenant, it is a letter directed towards christians.

paul also appears to be using a word that pretty strictly defines older men having relations with younger boys, as was customary in some parts of the greek-speaking world at the time. although, undoubtably paul would have ALSO have been against a consentual relationship between men of the same age.

i just suspect pretty strongly that such relationships were not exactly common in the 1st centuray ad in middle east and greek world. except maybe in sparta.

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