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Author Topic:   Focus on the Family Will Keep your Kid from Being Gay
deerbreh
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Message 274 of 317 (235641)
08-22-2005 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 272 by Tal
08-22-2005 4:11 PM


Re: RTFM
Many traits have genetic and environmental causes. Hence the age - old nature/nurture argument. Most biologists today recognize that both genetics and environment are important. Besides, even if it is ALL environment, that still doesn't make it a choice. The best argument in my mind against it being a choice is why would anyone choose a behavior that in most societies is going to get them taunted, scorned, beaten up and in some cases killed, with very little if any benefit over the opposite "choice"? That is, all they are getting for their choice is sexual gratification. They could get that by making the opposite choice and be accepted by society.
Besides, I wouldn't trust Dobson on anything having to do with science and human behavior. He is perfectly willing to "lie for Jesus" when it is convenient, regardless of the consequences Anybody that would promote "gay conversions" and subject women to the tragedy of being married to a man who isn't sexually attracted to them is fundamentally dishonest and not to be trusted.

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deerbreh
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Message 306 of 317 (235901)
08-23-2005 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 303 by Tal
08-23-2005 9:31 AM


Re: Why are you so afraid of homosexuals?
From 1st hand accounts I see that people, men and women, can have sexually exploratory lives and "walk the straight and narrow" later in their lives. I've also seen straight christians turn homosexual (actual leaders of the church). So from all of these examples I have to conclude that sex is a moral issue that is decided by the individual.
You do know that anecdotal accounts are not scientific data, don't you? Sex being a moral issue has nothing to do with whether or not gayness is a choice or not. If a man knows he is gay is it moral for him to marry a woman?

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deerbreh
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Message 311 of 317 (235912)
08-23-2005 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 304 by Tal
08-23-2005 9:42 AM


Re: Genetic Science
Isn't the logical evolutionary end to homosexual genetic disposition a dead end? By definition homosexuals aren't going to pass on their genes. I do understand that an individual may be predisposed to homosexuality but never act on it and thus pass the disposition along, but wouldn't it filter out after X generations?
No this is not sound genetics. If the gay gene is recessive and confers some evolutionary advantage it can be carried in the population indefinately. I think I gave you the example of how gayness could be an advantage on another thread. Briefly, if I have a gay son and a straight son my grandchildren (from the straight son) may have an enhanced survival and reproduction rate because the gay son is more attentive to his neices and nephews than he would be if he had his own children. So my grandchildren in effect have three parents (or possibly four in the case of a gay spouse). The gay son may offer financial resources etc. to his nieces and nephews that will help house, feed, and educate them.
Another way we know your conclusion cannot be correct is the high incidence of homosexuality in animals. There has to be a genetic component for it to occur so often across many animal species.

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deerbreh
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Message 315 of 317 (235932)
08-23-2005 10:30 AM
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08-23-2005 10:16 AM


Re: Genetic Science

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