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Topic: Help Lizard Breath Save Bush from Hurricane Katrina
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 61 of 205 (241267)
09-08-2005 9:42 AM
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Reply to: Message 58 by Yaro
09-08-2005 9:33 AM
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Re: The Plan
What do you think is gonna cause more crime and poverty? A strong economy and people not relying on the government to feed/cloth them.
Ya know Tal, not everyone has opertunities. Many of the people holding out in NO are poor individuals, who are clinging on to possesions they have worked their whole lives for. Namely their houses. I have no problem if someone needs help that cannot help themselves. But the institution to help those people should not be government. My problem is the the individuals who have opportunities, but are non-producers that leech off of the producers. This liberal idea that Goverment is the answer to everything doesn't work. Look at NO. It is the perfect example. It's been run by liberals for 60 years.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 66 of 205 (241274)
09-08-2005 10:09 AM
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Reply to: Message 64 by Yaro
09-08-2005 9:50 AM
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Re: The Plan
1) Who WANTS to be on wellfare? Single women that get more money with every new baby they pop out. NO is the most welfare oriented, least entrapenurial, most state dependant southern cities. In 2,000 there were only 25,000 2 parent families. There were more than 26,000 single female households with kids.
What are the statistics concerning the 'leeches' and how are 'leeches' identified? Leech = someone who lives off of someone else's money.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 69 of 205 (241278)
09-08-2005 10:22 AM
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Reply to: Message 65 by nator
09-08-2005 10:03 AM
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Re: this is weird, but should also settle the matter.
Good try.
The responsibility for coordinating all disaster relief efforts in New Orleans clearly rested with the White House. Wrong. Bold added by me.
The primary responsibility for dealing with emergencies does not belong to the federal government. It belongs to local and state officials who are charged by law with the management of the crucial first response to disasters. Mayor Nagin was responsible for giving the order for mandatory evacuation and supervising the actual evacuation: His Office of Emergency Preparedness (not the federal government) must coordinate with the state on elements of evacuation and assist in directing the transportation of evacuees to staging areas. Mayor Nagin had to be encouraged by the governor to contact the National Hurricane Center before he finally, belatedly, issued the order for mandatory evacuation. And sadly, it apparently took a personal call from the president to urge the governor to order the mandatory evacuation. Instead of evacuating the people, the mayor ordered the refugees to the Superdome and Convention Center without adequate security and no provisions for food, water and sanitary conditions. As a result people died, and there was even rape committed, in these facilities. Mayor Nagin failed in his responsibility to provide public safety and to manage the orderly evacuation of the citizens of New Orleans. Now he wants to blame Gov. Blanco and the Federal Emergency Management Agency. In an emergency the first requirement is for the city's emergency center to be linked to the state emergency operations center. This was not done. The federal government does not have the authority to intervene in a state emergency without the request of a governor. President Bush declared an emergency prior to Katrina hitting New Orleans, so the only action needed for federal assistance was for Gov. Blanco to request the specific type of assistance she needed. She failed to send a timely request for specific aid. Linkage
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 71 of 205 (241285)
09-08-2005 10:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 67 by nator
09-08-2005 10:10 AM
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Re: The Plan
NYC and Boston and San Francisco and Chicago have been run by liberals for quite a lot of their respective histories, and they are some of the greatest cities in the country. NYC is one of the greatest cities in the world, an has been traditionally liberal for a long time. I agree.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 72 of 205 (241286)
09-08-2005 10:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 68 by Yaro
09-08-2005 10:20 AM
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Re: The Plan
Further, maybe if we had BETTER EDUCATION and actually taught SAFE SEX, we would have less people getting pregnant out of wedlock and more people getting good jobs. Abstinence works everytime its tried. That is, not having sex until you are married. Then you have the family structure in place. You honsetly think they have no idea about condemns?
First, I doubt HIGHLY that women have kids for the money! That's how some live from my hometown.
It's blame the victim, take away their opertunities, get rid of their schools and medicin, and turn them out on the streets. That sounds like a wonderfull solution! That won't breed more people driven to crime and poverty.
Blame the victim? Who is the victim? What are they a victim of? My argument is not to turn away opportunities, but to give them opportunities. Help from the Federal Government should be a temporary fix, not a way of life.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 73 of 205 (241288)
09-08-2005 10:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 70 by Chiroptera
09-08-2005 10:24 AM
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Re: victim blaming
Sort of like how all those people stuck in New Orleans "chose" to stay behind. Yeah, and that is Bush's fault.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 83 of 205 (241318)
09-08-2005 12:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 75 by Yaro
09-08-2005 10:54 AM
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Re: The Plan
Bullshit, we are humans, we like sex, it's part of our nature. You ain't gonna make anyone stop having it. Incorrect. I'm living proof. I know many people that have waited until marriage to have sex. It is called self control.
Ah, so you know them personaly? Yes.
Further, how is your hometown representative of the poor in the greater USA?
Low or no income families on welfare and living in projects.
You 'right-wing' people can never seem to think beyond your own experience.
As opposed to you "left-wing" people who think government is the solution to all your problems.
But the sollution is not to put them out on the street and cut their aid, it's to follow-up wellfare with an actual road out of it.
I agree.
I mean, they get on wellfare cuz their poor and uneducated, so now they got some money to get themselves stable. But guess what? no decent schools, not enugh money, no medical care, etc. etc. Just gets them deeper into the hole. they're poor...they have some money....enough money.... What does decent schools mean? I went to the same schools (mostly low income black middle school/high school) and I provide for my family with little government help. Yes, I went on WIC when my first kid was born to make things a little easier, but it was a temporary hand. My point is the education systems, even though Louisiana ranks among the lowest, if not the lowest, education system in the US; still work. That's where I got most of my education, with the exception of my last 2 years of highschool, where I went to a private christain school. I still applied myself and made good grades. That gets you into college. Some of these poor kids (like I was) do just that. They make better for themselves. What I think happens is that the welfare recipients don't have any motivation to change the status quo. They have a house. They have food. They have income from their jobs. Why shake things up? No medical care? I still don't know anyone that has been turned away from a hostpital. Women who have zero insurance can still go to the women and children's hospital and have their babies for free. Free of course meaning others pay for it, but free to them.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 84 of 205 (241319)
09-08-2005 12:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 82 by Yaro
09-08-2005 11:04 AM
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Re: The Plan
No it hasn't. Thats idiotic. do you have any proof? Because all I have seen is data to the contrary. No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.newsnet5.com/news/4885861/detail.html
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 87 of 205 (241325)
09-08-2005 12:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 86 by Yaro
09-08-2005 12:16 PM
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Re: The Plan
That's you, now back to the rest of humanity. So are you suggesting I am the only human on earth with self control? I think we mostly agree on the rest.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 89 of 205 (241329)
09-08-2005 12:39 PM
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13% say Bush is mostly responsible
A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll of 609 adults taken September 5-6 shows: Blame Game -- 13% said George W. Bush is "most responsible for the problems in New Orleans after the hurricane"; 18% said "federal agencies"; 25% said "state and local officials"; 38% said "no one is to blame"; 6% had no opinion. -- 29% said that "top officials in the federal agencies responsible for handling emergencies should be fired"; 63% said they should not; 8% had no opinion. Like the left's many other attempts to get Bush, this one has had zero effect. Blame Bush for everything! Keep it up. You aren't convicing anyone. Send me your hurricanes, Cindy Sheehans, false reporting with forged documents, and Michael Moores.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 93 of 205 (241342)
09-08-2005 12:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 88 by Silent H
09-08-2005 12:37 PM
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Re: The Plan
Your poor logic skills, and grasp of basic science, does not suggest that wherever you went "worked" for you. Thanks, but I scored a 28 on the ACT and I have a 120 GT score (which is top 2% in the military.
You seem to avoid logic in your arguments (or analyzing your citations), and repeatedly mischaracterize scientific theories.
I would say the same thing about you. Difference of opinion I guess.
But again I point out the irony, the Iraq War's premise is that gov't is the solution to all your problems. Maybe now you can understand why people with conservative positions actually can dislike the Iraq War. Defense of the Nation is the Government's responsibility. Our Government is how we talk to other Governments, unless you'd like to head to Iran and try to get them to discontinue their nuclear aspirations.
Wealthy and corporate recipients use their benefits to create personal wealth to remove money from the economy. Yeah, they don't spend their money at all huh? They don't buy houses that employ hundreds of people or buy stock in companies that employ thousands of people. They don't buy nice cars that employ manufacturers. Who is the one with the logic problem here?
In fact in Chicago there was a scandal when a person died outside of a hospital because he was not covered and so they could not admit him. Source? I'll call BS on this. My mom is a nurse and has worked mostly in big cities in Florida (Miami/Dade). They don't turn anyone away. It is illegal to do so. If a hospital did that then the administrators can be brought up on criminal charges. If someone goes to a private hostpical and needs help, they MUST be seen. Once they are seen, they can then be sent to a charity hospital or the hospital can that person because there is a rule that hospitals take X charity cases in a quarter. So, you are wrong holmes.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 94 of 205 (241344)
09-08-2005 12:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 90 by Silent H
09-08-2005 12:40 PM
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Re: The Plan
That's a link, not a response. And the link does not prove anything. It doesn't state whether they had sex ed education before or not, and whether the proposes solution is to cut sex ed and teach abstinence only. Let's assume either 1 of 2 things: A. They had no sex education or some sex education. B. They weren't taught abstinence. That school has 65 pregnancies. My school, which taught abstinence, had 1 pregnancy. Both had the roughly the same population.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 97 of 205 (241355)
09-08-2005 1:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 92 by Silent H
09-08-2005 12:47 PM
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Re: 13% say Bush is mostly responsible
Who said the left is trying to blame everything on Bush (with regard to Katrina), or that anyone blaming Bush is on the left? Where is all the critisism coming from? The right?
This thread in a sense sets up that Bush does SHARE blame in the response failures to Katrina Bush and FEMA are not responsible for setting up hurricane contigency plans for LA or New Orleans, nor is FEMA a first response agency. That is the job of of Governor and the Mayor of NO. Bush declared the emergency before Katrina hit, but can't interevene until the Governor asks. FEMA was prepositioned to help. The Red Cross tried to get supplies into NO after the storm, but were turned back by the LA Dept of Homeland Security (which has nothing to do with the Federal Department of Homeland Security). What more could Bush have done?
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 170 of 205 (291466)
03-02-2006 11:17 AM
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Reply to: Message 169 by Modulous
03-02-2006 11:04 AM
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Re: Is Bush merely chronically amnesiac?
So what does it say of democrats that a very forgetful moron runs political rings around them again and again? 
People don't kill people Cartoons kill people
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 172 of 205 (291468)
03-02-2006 11:21 AM
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Reply to: Message 171 by docpotato
03-02-2006 11:18 AM
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Re: Is Bush merely chronically amnesiac?
How so?
People don't kill people Cartoons kill people
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