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Author Topic:   General discussion of moderation procedures: The Consequtive Consecution
jar
Member (Idle past 423 days)
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From: Texas!!
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Message 108 of 302 (276052)
01-05-2006 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Buzsaw
01-05-2006 10:48 AM


Re: Buzsaw Matter
buz, thanks for posting the contents of the bounced message. It is very important for you to understand.
The message means that (which is your ip address) is listed as a spammer on one or more "black lists", lists of known spammers.

I do not think you're a spammer.There are other possible reasons.

The most likely cause of this is if your computer has been infected by one of the many viruses going around. You can contact the blacklist folk using this form to see about getting your ip removed from the list.
Since it appears that you are on a dialup account, the problem may not even be on your computer, but rather on a computer of someone else. ISPs assign ips dynamically and that ip may have belonged to someone else. You can test to see if you can get a reassigned ip address, and if you are interested, I can walk you through the steps.
I would take a few measures right now just to be safe. I would make sure that my virus definitions were up to daate. Then I'd run a full virus scan to check for infection.
Let me know if you want to go further.
Edited to change to jar and to mention that nwr (see below) may also be correct.
This message has been edited by jar, 01-05-2006 11:41 AM
This message has been edited by jar, 01-05-2006 06:51 PM

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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 237 of 302 (281235)
01-24-2006 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by randman
01-24-2006 12:04 PM


Randman once agian misrepresents what I say.
and even then cannot get the links right. LOL
My post (a response to one of his posts) is Message 32 in the referenced thread.
It makes it quite clear that the thread is here for people to read, that the important audience is those who read the material at EvC, all of the material. It alos makes it clear that the thread is a record for others to use to make their own judgement of the content, techniques and motives of the participants.
You probably want to give jar the benefit of the doubt, that he means only the anonymous "participants" but considering his hatred of religious conservatives, calling them bigots and such, I see his comments as something else, but either way, I think he shows that he is not discussing issues in good faith, but is simply trying to score points, imo, through sophistry.
I do not hate religious Conservatives, I fear and pity them. I certainly do call their actions bogotted when they deny human rights and try to oppress people.
As to which audience is the most important, as YOU have been told before, IMHO there are far more lurkers, those who come to EvC to read the content, than there are those of us who post. This has been explained to you before. In case you have forgotten yet again, here is what I explained to you before.
AdminJar writes:
Okay.
If you would like to discuss this I will be happy to do so. In particular the issues of who the audience is, and what the purpose of having creationists post here should be included.
Basically, as a summary that if you want you can spin off into a new thread:
IMHO the real audience here are the lurkers, the vast majority of people who come here and read and yet seldom, or ever post. They vastly outnumber those who do actually post, and even those who register.
Why have Creationists here?
Again, IMHO, so that they can attempt to present their case. They are given every opportunity to present the best case possible in support of their ideas.
We have divided the forum into two sections to further make it possible for them to express themselves. There are the Faith and Belief areas where they can even try to use the Bible as valid evidence in support of their position, and they are allowed much greater leaway in presenting their case, even to the point of their rejecting something simply because they "Don't Believe it".
I don't think ALL creationists are dishonest or imbeciles. Many are dishonest, but that's just a statement of fact.
I do want a record in particular so that willfull ignorance IS made clear to the lurkers. It's the contents of the posts the different people write. That content is fully under their control, not under the control of those posting on the evolutionary side or the Admins, but the person writing it.
And yes, it is that record, the posts here at EvC that the lurkers will read, and from which they will judge the message.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 241 of 302 (281246)
01-24-2006 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by randman
01-24-2006 1:11 PM


randman posts an absolutely hilarious message.
So jar, are you saying the content here will not be available for years to come and that you would never use this content against anyone personally or compromise their anonymmity?
God I hope the content will be here for years to come and that folk can read the posts such as yours. To fear that I would use the content against someone personally is even funnier considering the Conservative Christian Rights support of the Bush administration's illegal wiretapping. I have no access to any secret information about our member, they don't even give names when they sign up. Did you give a name?
Further more, what anyone posts here at EvC is already there for ANYONE with a computer to read. Are you saying that you post things that you are ashamed for folk to read? Or do you fear being misquoted and taken out of context? If the later, I agree, and that is why, if you bother to read my posts, I am always careful to try to provide the context of what folk say instead of pulling stuff out of context and then misrepresenting what was said as YOU are so fond of doing.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 243 of 302 (281263)
01-24-2006 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by randman
01-24-2006 1:45 PM


Yet another POTM-lite contender from the randman.
but let someone bash you, and hey, we can get 3-4 people working on that problem as quick as possible.
Bash me? Bash me?
Why you have not even been able to post a single accurate message. You can't get the links correct, misquote what is said, and when that is pointed out to you use your normal tactic of libeling the other person, trying to change the subject, moving goal posts and playing musical definitions.
This exchange is yet another example of why the record is so important, everyone, registered and not registered, active poster or lurker can read through the thread and come to their own conclusions.
Bash me? Why child, you have not yet even annoyed me. Your posts are sad, and pitiful, pathetic perhaps and deserving of compassion but hardly to be called bashing.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 246 of 302 (281282)
01-24-2006 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by randman
01-24-2006 2:35 PM


and randman once again resorts to insinuation...
and innuendo.
Btw, you pledge not to try to use posts against people personally or not?
As you well know, I have no secret way of determining who someone is from the registration information. Any information I have access to is simply what is in the public record, what is available to anyone and everyone.
Yet you persist in making unsupported assertions and libelous statements.
As to using what people post against them, I have never opposed the person, but rather their acts and behavior. I will, ofcourse, continue to point out where you, and others misrepresent what has been said, and will oppose bigotry and intolerance with what I hope are reasoned and logical replies.
Methinks you protest too much....and the language and logic is typical of your self-righteous foolishness and denigration of others without ever really addressing their claims, just dodging and weaving. Deny reality and logic at all costs, and pretend you are right..., eh?
Yet another assertion it seems. Perhaps you can start a thread to address what you believe. I will be happy to once again respond to your allegations.
Thank you for continuing to post so that the readers can judge your actions.
AbE: Based on Admin's prior message this will be my last post on this subject in this thread. If randman wishes to start yet another thread on the subject I will be happy to respond there.
This message has been edited by jar, 01-24-2006 01:48 PM

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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