God: “But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, of it you shall not eat; for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die” (Gen. 2:17)
ok your answer is just logical contortions, it says in the day that you eat you will die?
did they die in the day they ate from the tree?
It simply says that he would surely die. It is a fact that from the time we are born we begin to surely die ourselves. That Adam embarked on a downhill inescapable process in which he must surely die is enough of the indication of the truthfulness of God’s word.
but he died 900 years later as the quotation says it would be the day they ate from the tree not 900 years later! - ergo as before god lied
[qs]Besides [b]Genesis 2:4 [/d] says ”These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven” (1901 American Standard Version). The Hebrew word for ”day” is the same as is used in Genesis 2:17 - “for in the DAY that you eat of it you shall surely die”. Preceeding 2:4 we are told that God made the heaven and the earth not in one day but in six days (Gen. 1:5,8,13,19,23,31). So the usage of the word ”day” in 2:4 is general time span not necessarily one sunrise to sunset span. My Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary for entry # 3117 - yowm, - is not restricted to this meaning for that Hebrew word, as you would like to have it. Other usages are:[/qs]
the context matters as well as the meaning of the word, if the context of the hewbrew says day as in a short time then it would be 24 hours
You lose the case because you insist that sunrise to sunset could be the only valid usage of yowm.
what does the context around yowm mean, that matters in hebrew or any language
I think you should consider this passage in the light of how wise it is for you to teach people that God lied and the serpent told the truth. I think this is calling evil good and good evil, putting darknesss for light, and making the bitter the sweet. You are twisting things around terribly.
how is the serpent evil? because disargeeing with god is evil?, or do you believe god wouldn't lie to protect innocents from harm?
I don’t think that most serious Bible readers would not want to admit that there are deep paradoxes in the Bible which are hard to reconcile. For example God as one God yet Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Or perhaps free will and predestination are difficult to reconcile. These matters are difficult to reconcile.
but they arn't concepts found in the OT really, they are found mostly in the NT, and iferred from the OT to validate the NT
Do you think the writer meant the entire planet? I’m not sure. I think he could have meant where all the human beings were living. At any rate whatever Moses meant Genesis 1:1 indicates that it should not be a problem for God to carry out what He wants to do. He created the heavens and the earth. His power has no limit.
it would have to be the whole planet not everyone lived in the middle-east, even then it would be impossible for a flood like that or 8 people replenishing the earth or animals surviving to do what they do, i mean if you ignore such things as quaity of life and birth/mortality rate then maybe.. but that would be wrong
Sometimes we do have to determine what is actually said and what is not said.
when the authors are dead for three thousand years how can you?, its a ll imposing what you believe on the text instead of reading whats there, you would be arguing with the text you claim is your holy book then
One thing does seem pretty clear. The account of a large flood wiping out human populations seems to have surfaced in cultures in many places. I think as the survivors multiplied and spread through the earth, some collective memory carried along embelishments of one kind or another of a great flood story.
sorry but there are "flood" stories that bare nothing in common with the jewish myth than water, so collective memory is a flimsy thing, more than likely the combonation of living in a place that floods, plus a huge flood or two and people saving animals or themselves would lead to flood myths, look at egypt they have tons of floods, and it follows that the flood myths they have are of the gods flooding the earth a lot
These uncanny pairing seems a deliberate attempt to make sure that we really did get it as to what God was able to do. Conspiracy theories stretched over 1,600 years don’t make plausible explanations of this design to me.
being that many important figures in many religions had things like this happen, a common theme running through the whole story wouldn't be far off, going to heaven would be a sign that the person was so important to god that he took them. Of course its a sign of gods power, but taking ideas from earlier parts of other stories would be common if you wanted to make the person more important,
somehow the idea that the stories are just stories doesn't seem to come up for you jay, they are stories to reflect gods power, just like the greek stories reflect the greek gods power
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