Global Flood Evidence: A Place For Faith to Present Some

So grass pollen and grass seeds should be found on the lowest level. they are already there and growing before the flood and have been doing so for some time. The land then gets flooded. Then a layer of marine fossils and no more than a few thousand years of other material above the marine level cover the original layer that had the grasses.Your scenario is now something that can be tested. Do we find grass seeds and pollen at the lowest level with nothing but marine fossils and a very small post flood level above.If your scenario is falsified are you willing to agree that the evidence from grass points to there not being a world-wide flood?If this is not an accurate description of your grass scenario, then please expand or correct it and we can look at the next version.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Ignoring the off topic parts of your post, did you say If so, would that mean that grasses were doing fine before the flood?If grasses were doing fine before the flood, there should be indications in the layer from the beginning of time until the flood of grasses, pollen, their seeds, maybe even fossil impressions?Then the land got flooded. That should leave a layer that contains other things, maybe marine fossils, but not fossils of growing plants other than seaweed or algae, maybe something like kelp.What would that layer look like? Since it is laid down in less than a year, should it be thinner than the layers from before the flood, and after the flood?Would we then see another layer on top of the flood layer that is post flood?If that is your scenario, should we be able to find this flood layer all over the world, just like the K-T boundary, with the same charateristics, a lower level with evidence of grass, then a narrow flood level with no evidence of grass, then a thicker level with grass and modern critters?.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Did you say: then that is a claim. And a claim can be tested.So grass pollen and grass seeds should be found on the lowest level. they are already there and growing before the flood and have been doing so for some time. The land then gets flooded. Then a layer of marine fossils and no more than a few thousand years of other material above the marine level cover the original layer that had the grasses.Your scenario is now something that can be tested. Do we find grass seeds and pollen at the lowest level with nothing but marine fossils and a very small post flood level above.If your scenario is falsified are you willing to agree that the evidence from grass points to there not being a world-wide flood?If this is not an accurate description of your grass scenario, then please expand or correct it and we can look at the next version.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Faith, you have a lot on your plate right now and so we can put this off for awhile. But grass is an interesting problem, a major one, for flood supporters.Think about what we should see related to grass if the Flood story happened to be true and perhaps we can discuss it in another thread one day.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Way back in Message 119 I tried to outline the type of thing needed.If we are going to see if the flood scenario is possible, then we need to do just what was done in the past. We need to look at what the landscape should look like if a global flood happened, and then see if that is what is actually found.There are many areas to consider. Grass is one of those.Other possible questions would be

• how thick should the flood layer be compared to the layers before and after it?
• if the flood drowned all of the anilmals, how should the locations and types of remains be arranged?
• of what type soil should the flood layer consist?
• should the depth and location of the flood layer be uniform world-wide?
• how does the flood account for the differences in ages of mountain ranges?
• how does the flood acount for the differences in erosion types between an area such as the Grand Canyon and the Scablands?

These are just a few of the questions that need to be answered. The format would be similar to what I laid out in the earlier message. This would then provide something that could actually be tested.This message has been edited by jar, 03-06-2006 06:52 PM

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Of course it is testable. Outline what should be seen. Then we can look and see if that is what is found or if something else is seen.That is a test.Now, if you can, please respond to Message 119.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This is based on the information in Message 119. The first step is to describe what we should find if there is a flood. In this case we are talking about grass. It's but one of the issues involved. The test is to descibe what we should see if the flood ever happened. We then look at what is actually there. If what is actually there matches what was predicted, then that one little area is supported.Once the issue of grass is resolved, we can look at other issues.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Still waiting for an answer to the questions raised in Message 119This message has been edited by jar, 03-07-2006 09:30 AM

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

in Message 119.Here is something that IS testable. If what is outlined in Message 119 is not correct, you have the opportunity to propose corrections.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Folk like Wyatt and ICR aren't recognized by the Christian Geologist community either because they have never been able to provide any evidence that stands up to even a cursory examination.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Of course they are. Geology IS secular. It cannot be anything but secular. That's why the folks at ICR and all will NEVER make any progress.They are on a dead end road. Thank GOD. Until the IDists can learn the basics of science, that you cannot start with conclusions, they will never be considered anything but a marginal pseudoscience. They begin with the conclusion and then wilfully ignore evidence that refutes their basic premise. That will never progress beyond snakeoil salesmen.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

To the questions raised in Message 47, Message 52 and Message 119.If the flood happened, is what I described what you would expect to see? If it isn't, what exactly should we see?Please outline what we should see related to grasses if the flood happened. Once you have done that we can then test your predictions against what is actually found. We have very few posts left and you still have not addressed issues from the very beginning.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion