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Author Topic:   Global Flood Evidence: A Place For Faith to Present Some
DBlevins
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Message 22 of 304 (292233)
03-04-2006 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Faith
03-04-2006 7:25 PM


Hell on Earth?
1) Antarctica was not always at the pole, but moved there when the continents split apart from the original "Pangaea," which Floodists believe occurred as a result of the tectonic forces released in the Flood, and occurred a lot more rapidly than science allows.
Have you considered what such a rapid rate of tectonic movement would do to the earth?
If you are so inclined, then you might take a gander here at msg 96
2) I don't get why you ask "if there were no ice after the flood where did all the ice today come from?" All the ice on the planet started after the Flood, again a result of the great upheavals the planet went through at that time, including possibly the tilting of the axis of the planet, or simply the removal of what is often considered to have been a great "canopy" of moisture that surrounded the planet, keeping warmth in -- which canopy provided all the rain for the Flood.
The amount of energy released in such a scenario would raise the surface temperatures of the earth to 100's of degree's. Never mind the effect of the canopy itself (Venus eat your heart out).

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DBlevins
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Message 24 of 304 (292239)
03-04-2006 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Faith
03-04-2006 9:24 PM


Re: Hell on Earth?
Yeah I'm aware of all those calculations. They could be wrong you know. There is no way to test them as the whole thing is guessing, based on creationists' attempts to reconstruct the scene imaginatively from the Bible. Many other variables are no doubt involved. And certainly the mathematicians aren't interested in finding the most plausible scenario themselves, are they? No, they are quite content if their numbers prove us wrong.
I think we should be able to move on past the "conspiracy" theory for the sake of the thread? Besides, I didn't take you for a conspiracy-type person, but one who was interested in advancing your understanding? Are mathematicians now involved in some evo conspiracy as well?
quote:
There is no way to test them as the whole thing is guessing, based on creationists' attempts to reconstruct the scene imaginatively from the Bible.
There are ways of testing the individual parts of the calculation. We can test and determine the amount of heat required to melt many types of rocks. We know how much heat (in joules) it is required to raise the temperature of 1 gram of water by 1 degree centigrade. We can determine the density of different rock types, etc. The funny fact is, you can do those tests yourself and get a very resonable approximation of the answers without expensive equipment. You could do the calculations yourself. But sadly you seem more than unwilling to question your own position, and whether or not your conclusions are reasonable.
While there are certainly more variables that could be added to the calculation to make it more precise, it would have such a small effect to the output that they are not worth putting in.
I don't want you to abandon your beliefs in a Christian God nor do I think it is unreasonable for you to hold such a belief. In the face of reality though, I would think you could self-evaluate your conclusions and maybe realize that God can still reside in the very tenents of evolution and an old earth.

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DBlevins
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Message 54 of 304 (292468)
03-05-2006 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by sidelined
03-05-2006 12:46 PM


Not just Antartica
Tectonic forces are not capable of moving a continent the size of Antarctica to its present position in the short period necessary to support your time frame.
I thought I would add that Faith is suggesting that ALL the continents moved in her short period of time.

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DBlevins
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Message 66 of 304 (292582)
03-06-2006 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Faith
03-05-2006 11:50 PM


Re: Those layers again
Faith,
Have you ever considered the fact that what you are proposing has been suggested before? That this search for the 'truth' of the Noadic floods was searched for but ultimately found wanting? Those early pioneers of the field didn't have an evolutionary paradigm to "cloud" their thinking or bias their conclusions. It just didn't hold any water! (pardon the pun)
What you are asking is for science to forget everything we have learned since then and do a "do over!" Many of those same scientists who searched for the evidence for the flood and other biblical evidence found none. It wasn't being hidden. There was no evilutionist conspiracy. It just was not there. Some could reconcile their faith with the evidence, some could not. Those that could were able to make startling predictions or present evidence that radically altered our view of the world. Science progressed regardless of and despite those unable to reconcile their faith.
Nobody is ignoring what you are saying. We have been trying to tell you or get you to understand what it is you are looking at. We have tried to steer you to gaining more knowledge about what you are talking about. What you are saying is not complicated, you're right. But the fact that it completely ignores all evidence contrary to your conclusion, makes it simply and unequivocably, wrong.
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DBlevins
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Message 278 of 304 (294003)
03-10-2006 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by Faith
03-10-2006 12:59 PM


Re: No Christian geologists?
The matching mountain ranges are part of my picture of things, not sure what you think that proves.
You implied earlier that there were no mountain ranges before the flood here post 104:
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The mountains were raised after the flood, as I already said.

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