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Author Topic:   Global Flood Evidence: A Place For Faith to Present Some
lfen
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Message 71 of 304 (292597)
03-06-2006 3:18 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Faith
03-05-2006 11:50 PM


Re: Those layers again
I'm simply trying to get somebody to notice how crazy the idea is that layers of different homogenous sediments with very particular fossil contents scattered throughout, could have been accumulated in slow increments over the millions of years claimed.
So your objection has to do with how long you believe it would take to deposit what? I'm not clear if you are referring to a single layer or to a group of layers. It does seem that you want to make an argument that the layers would have been deposited in times scales of hundreds or thousands of years, maybe even of a year?
Can you clarify your claim. I think then the discussing could proceed with everyone talking about, hopefully, the same thing.
lfen

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lfen
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Message 181 of 304 (292858)
03-06-2006 10:39 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Faith
03-06-2006 12:00 PM


Re: Dating answered, on to limestone sedimentation
Better than slow sedimentation rates explains it.
The referent is missing from the sentence fragment. To who is it a better explanation? Not to most educated and trained working geologist. They have looked at the theory and abandoned it on many grounds.
To a group of religionist who want the world to conform to a pre scienctific world view and don't want to understand science that flood hypothesis seems on the face of it more reliable and certainly it's much simpler. No measurements or mathmatics are required, nor chemical analysis etc.
Science is an interlocking locking set of disciplines. Physics uses math and chemistry can't conflict with physics, nor can biology conflict with physics and chemistry and thus they inter support one another.
A group of religionists is fighting science in order to hold to their emotional beliefs. But so far you've offerred no science just rationalizations that allow you to dismiss scientifically observed and verified findings.
You and your co religionists have faith in your view of the Bible as do Mormons, Muslims, etc have faith in their religions. None of that is science and none of those religion's beliefs can overturn science.
There is no factual basis for your religion, any more than there is a factual basis for Islam, or Mormonism.
lfen

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lfen
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Message 193 of 304 (292883)
03-07-2006 3:50 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by Faith
03-06-2006 11:00 PM


Re: No Claims Faith?
You might as well put your fingers in your ears, or hands over you eyes and yell, " I can't hear you" or "I can't read you".
Geology and Astronomy to pick two fields of science that depend on field studies. There are laboratory experiments but much of what they study are unique events out there. You don't understand science and you don't want to because you want to be able to imagine that science is just like your religion, a matter of picking plausible imaginative stories based on your personal comfort. I do suspect that you know your beliefs are insupportable and that is why you come up with these elaborate rationalizations that science is just another religion that contradicts yours, but it's really a very different set of activities and does require and use evidence that is scrutinized.
Emperor's new clothes hmmmm? Sounds like a projection to me. You have put your faith in religionists who didn't know what they are talking about. They aren't God they only have taken the authority to claim to speak for the divinity and they have convinced a lot of people to follow them. They are unwilling to subject their thinking to rational scientific scrutiny because it's easier to base everything on pre scientific thinking, beliefs, and literature.
lfen

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lfen
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Message 195 of 304 (292887)
03-07-2006 3:58 AM
Reply to: Message 192 by redseal
03-07-2006 2:38 AM


"In an unpublished experiment at Loma Linda University, a dead bird, mammal, reptile, and amphibian were placed in an open water tank. Their buoyancy in the days following death depended on their density while living, the build-up and leakage of gases from their decaying bodies, the absorption or loss of water by their bodies, and other factors. That experiment showed that the natural order of settling following death was amphibian, reptile, mammal, and finally bird. This order of relative buoyancy correlates closely with 'the evolutionary order,' but, of course, evolution did not cause it."
This is hilarious but please, when you quote material would you please cite it. Is this from a web link, a book, magazine etc.?
lfen

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lfen
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Message 241 of 304 (293135)
03-08-2006 2:41 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Faith
03-05-2006 9:34 PM


Re: Those layers again
My point has only been that they are not compatible with the idea of millions of years of incremental deposition. How many other kinds of formations there are is irrelevant. There is no way that ANY such formations could be reasonably explained in such terms.
I can only read this as you indicting thousands of geologists of making unreasonable explanations for decades. These tens of thousands geologist with all their training and their access to physics and astrophysics and chemistry are unable to arrive at a reasonable explanation. Is this your claim? What alternative explanation might you have for your statement?
lfen

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