anti-abortion folks still get abortions

The risk is yours, not mine or the life you create.

You made it.

I understand this concept.
If I light up a joint, and smoke it, I ain't high yet, will I be high in a few? A deseased limb would scream to its owner for him to do something about it. This is where we are going to have to trust medicine. They aren't always right, but it is the best we can do. The intentions are good. If a woman is in danger of losing her life, then she should be the first priority, not the child. While some will argue that all pregnancy carry a risk, some are riskier than others.But the health reasons may not be limited to just the mother.It's a very tough call. My freinds daughter just had a baby with down syndrome. The doctors wanted to abort, but they said no. They aren't even really heavy believers. The baby was born with down syndrome, but it wasn't as severe as the doctors had predicted. The baby is beautiful.MY own step child, was born premature. The doctors said to pull the plug, said he would be nothing more than a vegatable.He's 22 now, and he the best kid I ever meet in my life. I call him the walking truth. He is handicap with hearing, speech, learning and some minor health issues. But he managed to pass a life guard test, and be a life guard. He is a great person.

Ok, I could be wrong, I'll check it out.

Don't even bring the bible into it.
Cause we can back up into virginity again.
Be fruitful....My views on abortion are not from the bible. I do not want to force my religious views on people.

We live in a free country, but what does that mean? Isn't it just a state of mind? Are we really free? What gives us our freedom?It's what we think as a people that determines our freedom. We decide as a country what is right and wrong, not science, not religion, not some silly idea that as long as there is consent, then it is ok. It's our own personal subjective view that determines what we are as a people. Of course our views are based on many things, but it is our interpretation of those things.I do not want to live in a society, or raise my kids in one where the respect of the sanctity of life, and the process that starts it is nothing more than trash and selfish feelings. We as humans are born with desires. If it's evolution, then our desires stem from our natural instincts to carry on as a race. If it's God, then it's a gift from Him. Either way, there is no respect for the whole thing when we can just rip babies from wombs as a form of birth control.I like the taste of pot. If I could just taste it and not get high, I would. But that's not the case, if I light up, I will be getting high, and all the effects that go along with it. The same can be said about intercourse. It's just the way things are. It's a basic form of living. It's how we got here. It's how we evolved, it's how we were designed, whatever. We are forgeting were we come from when we belittle the whole process to turning the womb into a food blender. If we say it's ok, then what is next? How much more respect will we let go?I know I am probably not expressing this as cleary as I should, but it is what it is. Having been through it, I do speak from experience. Yes it is my view, and I am entitled to it.Maybe people should be more concerned about "keeping it in their pants" and having a society that thinks that way, than telling me what to do with my views. It's a free society, and we can choose how it works. we choose what is morally right and wrong.Teens should be being peer pressured into staying a virgin, not losing their virginity.
Parents should be treating their kids well, and with love.
Monogamy is better than promiscuity.These kind of things, while you make think I am forcing them on you, are things learned the hard way. If we were truely free, and could do anything we want, this world could get ugly. Should we live like cavemen?If the goal was to have a world that followed these ideas, then VD would be decreases, unwanted pregnacies would decrease, phsycological problems would decrease. And it wouldn't cost a penny.Abortion is a band-aid for much deeper problems, there is no denying it. Giving people an out, does not cure the problems, it only promotes it. It plays games with life.It's funny, when I asked someone who was for abortion, and into science about living things, like ants, and other lesser life forms, there response was to have respect for all living things. But not life in the womb.People say it isn't life until it can support itself. That is the biggest bunch of BS ever!If I took a tropical bird, and let it go in the north pole, what would happen to it?You might say, well normally that bird would never be there in the north pole.Well I say normally, and baby would not try to get out of its womb, unless you interfered.Saying it is not life is not a logical arguement, and I won't accept it.I think I am done with this thread, I stick by my first statement about the original article, and that is turning people into hypocrites, without knowing the reasons why they did what they did, is not a logical arguement for abortion, it's a smear tatic, that's all.

I don't know if you have really been following then. Maybe read again everything I wrote?What punishment? We didn't do anything wrong. We did what was legally allowable. It was like 15 years ago. We did it, because of the society we live in, and because it was legal, it tends to make it morally acceptable. I was about 25, and still really young, so I don't think I really knew better. But I learned quickly, because immediatly afterwards, I felt guilt, and I was origianlly for it! She was my fiancee at the time, and things were starting to get a little shakey, so I didn't want to have a kid, unless I was going to be with him/her and raise him/her. I did not want to have to deal with this woman in the future, and tie myself to her for a long time. It was all selfish reasons. The fact remains, I had sex, and she got pregnant. I feel pain from it, isn't that punishment enough? There are still times today that I cry about it.I had to learn the hard way, becuase I did something stupid and selfish, and maybe I wasn't educated enough? At the end of my last post, I mentioned my position.
I am against abortion as a form of birth control.I am not against condoms, sex ed, whatever.But if you stick it in, your taking a risk, nothing is 100%, not even birth control pills. My first one was on birth control, and she got pregnant.so the real problem is intercourse then. isn't it?I currently have a vasectomy now, so I would be a hypocrite if I was against all that. I am not sure God would approve of it, but I did it before I really believed in God, and I hope He will understand if I am wrong.

That's what they taught in sex-ed. monogamy is best.virginity clearly lessens the risk of getting VD, and totally eliminates the chance that you will get pregnant, that's factual.The rest is there, you can pick and choose what you want to accept from my posts. This would go on forever.

Oh, maybe you should sell yourself off and live that way then.This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 03-30-2006 04:10 PM

This BS of taking things our of context must come to an end.Finish the story, and find out what happen afterwards. huh? I am not sure, but isn't there a verse that explains what sex is for in the bible?Shows you how much I care about it biblically. It's only after learning the lessons in life that I started to understand why the bible says what it says. Which is the complete opposite from you. Good luck with your boyfriend, he's gonna need it, j/k

I never said it wasn't a beatiful awesome thing.I think thats how all life should start, with a bang!

The fact that a fetus keeps growing, unless you disturb it, is proof positive that it has a will to survive. I only said that to be realistic. I really do not trust medicine, or the doctors. They have screwed me up too many times. But they have also saved me. It's the best we got, and we have to go with it. depression is not life threatening, and treatable. Your confusing to ideas there. If you make an honest mistake it is not murder. The fact remains that some pregnancies pose a risk to the mother, or the baby. We do our best at trying to prevent those bad things from happening.What your saying is that medicine has no right to get involved at all. I do not agree with that. We have brains. Whether it's from God or not, we should be using them.

Consentual sex or non-consentual? Mansaulter is not murder.
Prosecutred or convicted?If a person knowingly drives a car drunk, he is responsible for the damage he does, it is no longer an accident.If a person knowingly has sex, then they are responsible for the life that may begin afterwards. It is not an accident.If I caused an accident while drunk, and there was a mother and child in the car, and I killed the mother, abortion would be the equivelent of killing the child as punishment, instead of prosecuting me.

You are taking things out of context again.We are talking about the physical, not the mental.The objective, not the subjective.

That is a terrible comparison.
So fetus's are tumors now?
You guys are sick. You and brenna.Tumor is a threat to the life of it's host. They happen by accident, not because they got banged or popped.