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Author Topic:   Why Atheists don't believe
RickJB
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Message 216 of 310 (312756)
05-17-2006 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by iano
05-17-2006 9:22 AM


Re: Q and the like
iano writes:
You see table, Larni sees table - I don't see table. Simply because I am not in the same place that you two guys are. You show me pictures but they could be airbrushed for all I know. I can trust you or not trust you when you say "its a table"
**Sigh** You're playing games Iano, you know clearly what I am getting at.
So, again:-
Myself, you and Larni are in a room.
You see a table. I see a table. Larni sees a table. We percieve a table.
You "know" God. I don't. Larni "knows" another God. Whose perception is the "right" one? How can we tell?

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RickJB
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Message 218 of 310 (312758)
05-17-2006 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 215 by iano
05-17-2006 9:44 AM


Re: Q and the like
iano writes:
No sight, smell, touch, taste, feeling. You have become a self-with-a-brain. Do you cease to exist? No. Any empirical evidence to prop that notion up? No. The evidence is all in your own head? Yup. You don't need anyone else to support your knowledge. You know it - because you know it. You will know it for as long as you live.
You will exist as you only because you will be operating with the empirical knowledge you gained when you HAD perception!

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RickJB
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Message 226 of 310 (312771)
05-17-2006 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 221 by iano
05-17-2006 10:04 AM


Re: Q and the like
Lets back up. My original post assumed that we were all in the same room. I feel that you knew that, but still decided to muddy the waters by exploiting my omission.
Now my point was that we can all SEE the table. Even if we ARE in different rooms there is always the option to go and look for oneself to get empirical confimation.
Now if whilst we are in that room we all we declare we "know" different Gods, how do we know who is right?
iano writes:
Go look is how you tell.
Look at what?

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RickJB
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Message 253 of 310 (313426)
05-19-2006 3:34 AM
Reply to: Message 249 by riVeRraT
05-18-2006 5:38 PM


Re: Truth......
riverrat writes:
When I ask my leaders about it, they say that it is an imitation from the devil. I am not usually happy with that answer, because I can't prove it.
If you don't mind me saying, I'd hope you stay unhappy with that answer. Given you know your own faith is subjective and dear to you. You must see that a Muslim's faith is just as subjective and dear to him?
It's a shame your church leaders can't understand that. Ever thought of finding a more open-minded church?

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RickJB
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Message 255 of 310 (313456)
05-19-2006 7:39 AM
Reply to: Message 254 by riVeRraT
05-19-2006 6:53 AM


Re: Truth......
riverrat writes:
In short, it's about your heart. Maybe when God looks down at us, he doesn't even see all the religions.
Well I'm not at all religious, but if there IS a God I'd like to think the same.
All religions offer ways to seek the guidance of a higher power if one so chooses. I totally respect this. What I don't respect is the need of some people of faith to denigrate other faiths - to claim preferential treatment from God, so to speak...
Edited by RickJB, : Typos.

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RickJB
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Message 277 of 310 (314295)
05-22-2006 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 270 by CK
05-22-2006 7:32 AM


Re: Just not true.
CK writes:
Let's take a simple example - when my significant other says she is going off to work - how do I know she is? she could be off meeting another boyfriend?
The analogy doesn't hold, CK. Even if you don't know where your girlfriend is, you CAN find out empirically. You can follow her and see where she goes. You can even take someone with you to confirm what you see. There's your evidence.
When it comes to the existence of God, however, no such option is open to you.
You are equating a lack of evidence with the ability to get it. When we say "lack of evidence" we mean that there is NO means of empirical confirmation.

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