Atheism, a dangerous idea?

No thanks necessary. That's part of my code.Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.

Then you'll have to be more clear as to what you meant when you said:

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riVeRraT writes:

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But an atheist can do what ever he wants.

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Why? Doesn't the atheist live within the same society as the theist?

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What does our society have to do with an individuals morals if the law has nothing to do with it?Where do morals come from?

riVeRrat This is not a supported statement RR .Please explain. It is not the way I feel I should live. It is simply a code outlining what I find important as are all codes of conduct. The point is that conduct is only determined by our actions in life. That includes all codes of conduct including your own.Since an atheist such as myself can produce a code of conduct that you do not object to means that moral codes need not be different because you believe in God and I have no belief in the supernatural.Indeed the common ground of men is far deeper than our differences.

Well, what do you base this set of rules on? I never said they need to be different or indifferent. I do agree with that, and the way I see it, as I have explained, is that God put them there. That doesn't mean that they always shine through.For some cultures compared to ours, it is not so common, and they think way different than you or I.

Morals come from an internal, inate understanding of what is needed to get along in society. Morals develop with experience, are learned behavior and dependant on the era, culture and particular circumstances of any given incident.IMHO Law is never moral, it is an absolute and one of the most important messages that the Bible does contain is that we must not look on Law as moral.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

50 years ago, many Christian fundamentalists were racists, and were quoting scripture as the basis for their racism.Those are really great moral standards you can point to, riVeRraT. Or maybe Christians actually get their morality in the same way as everybody else - from their community. When their religious communities supported racism, that was part of their morality. Now that most religious communities have rejected racism, it is no long part of their morality.I put it to you that the difference you see in morality for atheists vs Christians is no more than a figment of your imagination.

I think it is their personality BEFORE they drink that he was concerned with. There is something unpleasant about being around a person who thinks that the only reason for behaving is because God will smite you if you misbehave.

The people here promoting YEC ARE fundamentalists. You can't be a YEC without being a fundamentalist. On the other hand, there are plenty of Christians here that are not fundamentalists. When did I say otherwise?

A very good point. But when I read the bible, I do not find anyway that I good back up a racist point of view.One could easily say to a Christian who was using the bible to back his own personal racism, "what about love one an other?" I never said one was better than the other.
I am saying one is written, the other is not.
One is debatable, the other is not.2 people have listed some of their morals, I cannot debate them, it is what they believe.But if a Christian came up to me, and said, hey, I am a racist by the power vested in me by Christ our Lord, I dam sure would debate it with him.

Smite?
So much for Grace, and forgiveness.But if what your trying to say, is that because of the way a person is, you wouldn't have a beer with him, I can understand that. What I can't understand is you, or Ned associating all believers to be like that. That to me is prejudice.

Hear hear. I would point out that however one measures morality or lack of it - honesty, cheating on spouse, whatever, you are going to find very little difference between Christians and any other group you want to name. In fact, the divorce rate (arguably an indicator of spouse cheating) is actually higher in the Bible Belt of the U.S. than in other parts of the country.

Nowhere did I say that I thought that. Take your strawman elsewhere and knock him down.

I know that not all believers are like that. What I see is some believers telling me that they are like that. In fact, it is a very common assertion made here that without God one can not behave morally. What I see is many people (believers and not) behaving morally because they, themselves with anything imposed externally are like that. What I also am told by the fundamentalists is that people can not behave well without the imposition from outside.Since these fundamentalists obviously have no idea of how other people feel or what motivates them the only conclusion I can draw is that they are describing what they, themselves, are motivated by. That means that without a belief they think they will be psychotic in some way.I have heard and read a number of sermons from the leaders of your community that rant about the dangers of atheism because of what it does to morals. I hope they are not right but they hint at a grave danger.Many, many atheists are not any danger since they have shown they can be moral on their own. However, these leaders of your community claim that they will degenerate into animals if their faith is lost.Since these same leaders promulgate lies in order to maintain the faith that they are esposing I worry that the ill-founded faith they hand out will be lost by some members of their flocks when those members find out some of the truth. How many of those will then be without moral compass and allow us to, indeed, see the dangers of atheism?

I assume you are saying that one is written in the Bible (God's absolute standard) and the other is not set (Athiest's mallable standard).Absolute standards like:
Exodus 20:13 "You shall not murder"
Deuteronomy 5:17 "You shall not murder"However, God does allow and agree with killing as seen below.Joshua 7:24-26

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24 Then Joshua, together with all Israel, took Achan son of Zerah, the silver, the robe, the gold wedge, his sons and daughters, his cattle, donkeys and sheep, his tent and all that he had, to the Valley of Achor. 25 Joshua said, "Why have you brought this trouble on us? The LORD will bring trouble on you today."
Then all Israel stoned him, and after they had stoned the rest, they burned them. 26 Over Achan they heaped up a large pile of rocks, which remains to this day. Then the LORD turned from his fierce anger.

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or Joshua 8:24-26

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24 When Israel had finished killing all the men of Ai in the fields and in the desert where they had chased them, and when every one of them had been put to the sword, all the Israelites returned to Ai and killed those who were in it. 25 Twelve thousand men and women fell that day”all the people of Ai. 26 For Joshua did not draw back the hand that held out his javelin until he had destroyed all who lived in Ai.

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how about I Samuel 15

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1 Samuel said to Saul, "I am the one the LORD sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the LORD. 2 This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [a] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' "

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It appears that killing is required, in fact absolutely necessary in some situations. After seeing these examples, I would like to know just what the limits are. I would not want my lack of knowledge to stay my hand when action is required.
So, could you provide me with the Bible's definition of "murder"? Please give the passages that describe the absolute line where killing actually becomes murder and is therefore sin/transgression/disobedient.Since this is an absolute standard, I assume that you believe all Christian denominations also agree with the Biblical definition that you have provided. Can you provide some evidence to that?

don't use the witch book. discuss right and wrong not human romance.
that book ain't written by god. it's written by men