Has EvC changed your beliefs?

Honour is an ideal I would love to reach, I think the only thing we can do is aspire to it.Blimey, am I sounding like Iano here?

You know? I think we need more people like you to poke the arse of current theory.I don't hold with many of your positions but due to you I have been pushed to question mine.

This is my finding exactly; my base motives have not changed but the divergent views (on this site) have made me do the the work to justify my own.Edited by Larni, : Finally get the quote right....god I'm a bit meery now.....

I apprehended that honour was an ideal. Never attained but always aimed for. As a kid I was caught up in 'honour'. I felt that (being secular) I needed a basis of 'Law' to guide my actions (at the time I did not realise 'I' had the capacity to define such 'Laws'.I would say that the concept of 'Honour' (or infact any moral code} is invaluable to a youngster to give him/her a basis for social living.But like the 'stabalizers' we have when we learn to ride a bike, we need them no more when we become an (emotional/moral ) adult.

You know, believing that one is right is also the thing that I have learnt fro EvC not do:To be sure, I would argue that the secular side has the evidence and in the domain of a secular forum I would argue that the non-secluarist are at a massive dissadvantage, but you are bang on when you say that I interet the evidence to conclude that there is no supernatuaral ruler.But with new evidence I may revise my conclusions. I do this honestly (even though a creator would stick in my craw).

Fair comment.I can't stand the idea of a boss god....this is what grinds my gears.....if you a have few minutes we could meet in chat.... it is 02:24 now..... if you are ther in a few mins I will debate with you there.

Thats just it, I think I am right but like any good scientist I know that there is some chance that my conclusions are in error.

I agree, quite a few things I hear from the more 'hellfire and damnation' theist side is a real turn off.

Fair comment, the only real disagreement it seem to me that people have on EvC is that we interpret evidence differently to each other and the amount of 'tentativity' (is that a word? It is now, lol) we hold our intereptation in.

Not really Iano. Sometimes I will argue things that I do not agree with. Like when you and I looked at Demons; I had to accept that your god was real to have that discussion.However, what you said above does not apply to me as I do not believe that any one goes to hell any more than I believe people go to heaven and meet St Peter.I'm not turned on or off as such by hellfire or fluffy heaven. I guess I was making an unclear comment about the role of people trying to 'spread the good word'. That is to say that xianity seems a lot more dark and depressing than the fluffy up beat xianity I was exposed to when I was little.I would not say that you are hellfire and brimstone merchant Iano. I see you as percieving the universe in the way that you see it and from that standpoint your post seem pretty logical.By the way, my bicycle was stolen yesterday Edited by Larni, : Alternate ending

I appriciate the sentiment dude, but you know there are many people who don't ascribe to the moral codes we do.They are baddies. They don't think like we do.Edited by AdminJar, : fix unbalanced code

Yeah, you are probably right about that.I never did anything wrong.lol.

I apprehended that life was just the precusor to a greatly longer 'Eternal Life' in heaven.Don't xians believe this 'life' is about doing Yahweh's work and getting into heaven?

Come on mate, forced choice. I'm not an ememy of something I believe does not exist.

Thats exactly how I see it. Yahweh gives to nod to Satan and someone gets tempted. Thats why I would see your good as a deciever.