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Author Topic:   Israel/Lebanon/Gaza conflict (continuation thread)
Buzsaw
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Message 60 of 300 (334365)
07-22-2006 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by jar
07-22-2006 6:45 PM


Re: on return fire.
jar writes:
Buz, you just keep making things worse for the Israelis. Directing responding fire at the location where rockets were, but are no longer, is simply terrorism. There is no other way to describe it.
So you're denying that the rocket launchers flee the rocket launch site after launch as is being reported on Fox News by military experts? If so can you provide doumented support for your position?

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Buzsaw
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Message 61 of 300 (334373)
07-22-2006 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by jar
07-22-2006 6:49 PM


Re: buzsaw's latest view on the conflict
jar writes:
The smaller rockets can be carried in a car. They are not launched from a car. They can be carried and launched from a flatbed truck. But guess what Buz, the truck then drives away. By the time that Israel returns fire there is nobody there but Civilians.
1. Jar, where have I stated that these rockets can be carried in a car? What is your point in this?
2. So you're admitting that Hezbollah terrorists launch from among civilian targets so as for the returning fire to hit the civilians. I'm glad you're beginning to get that straight, that terrorists have no regard for the lives of civilians, so long as their interests in advancing their own power is advanced.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 67 of 300 (334668)
07-23-2006 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Brian
07-22-2006 9:07 AM


Re: What you think?
Hi Brian. I would want to see the Amnesty Int. evidence for this before making a judgement.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 68 of 300 (334671)
07-23-2006 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by jar
07-22-2006 7:49 PM


Re: buzsaw's latest view on the conflict
jar writes:
How successful will a duck hunter be who shoots where the duck was a few minutes ago instead of where the duck will be?
I said way back that the Israelis did not know whether the enemy launch site was stationary or a movable vehicle et al. Some they can take out and others get away.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 90 of 300 (335578)
07-26-2006 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by MangyTiger
07-25-2006 9:08 PM


Re: So why is Israel targeting the UN?
1. There is to be an investigation. Israel says it was an accident. In war messages get missdirected, et al. Let the investigation produce the case for Israel's claim before convicting them as the secretary general has done.
2. Imo, the UN which has consistently been anti-Israel, anti-US and pro-Islam/Arab had no business being in the middle of a war zone, allegedly observing. They could have done that by air.
They were in the enemy zone and who knows who they were protecting, informing and otherwise helping against Israel. Israel warned that all noncombatants should go north and evacuate. The UN contingent should have heeded the warning.
The UN cannot be trusted and never could in the past. The secretary general is the one who was doing the shennagans with Saddam Hussein, enriching both of them. He has no business at the helm of the world body, given his character and record.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 99 of 300 (336217)
07-28-2006 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Silent H
07-27-2006 4:35 AM


Re: Israel above the law
Holmes writes:
Have you ever heard of the rule of law Buz? In international law you don't get to tell innocent people in neighboring countries, and especially not UN observers who have well defined positions, that they must leave because you have decided to blow up their location.
I might point out that while Israel gave such an illegal blanket warning, they were also given a warning by the UN to stop shelling their position... ten times to be exact.
Is Israel above the law?
1. My understanding is that the UN is so biased against Israel that it is the lone nation of the planet which is not a member.
2. The fact that the US is almost always the sole defender of Israel shows how biased the whole UN body is against Israel.
3. Holmes, have you ever heard of the reality of war wherein you do what you have to do to get at the coward enemy who parks his guns next to the UN an in the homes of civilians so as to blast away at Israel with impunity? Where were the UN protests to Lebanon's Hezbollah terrorist member reps in the Lebanese govt for allowing Hezbollah terrorists to park practically on the UN doorsteps?
4. Israel had no choice but to go after the enemy who cowers next to civilian targets including the UN.
5. It seems to me that the UN should have either persuaded the fighters to bug off or they them selves evacuate as a precaution.
6. These were UN observers. Right? Well then what the heck were they doing sitting there for years quietly observing the Hezbollah missile and armament buildup in violation of Resolution 5959 or whatever the number was forbidding the buildup? Serving coffee?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 102 of 300 (336229)
07-28-2006 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by anglagard
07-28-2006 10:22 PM


Re: Israel above the law
Thanks anglagard. I stand corrected and informed. I heard it and failed to check it out. Well then how about this for bias?
Anne Bayefsky, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and at Touro College Law Center. She is also editor of www.EyeontheUN.org. writes:
The Human Rights Council is now the U.N.’s lead human-rights body, and examples of egregious human-rights violations should not have been hard to find. In Darfur, there are three quarters of a million people beyond humanitarian reach, 2.5 million people displaced by the violence, 385,000 people in immediate risk of starvation, and over two million dead in 22 years of violence and deprivation. But it wasn’t genocide in Sudan that interested the Human Rights Council. Nor was it a billion Chinese without civil and political rights. Not 13 million women in Saudi Arabia whose lives depend on hiding from sight in public places and never being caught behind the wheel of an automobile. Not the dire human-rights conditions of 23 million people in North Korea. Not Iranian President Ahmadinejad’s incitement to genocide or his country’s legal system, which includes crucifixion, stoning and amputation.
No; there was only one country singled out by the U.N. Human Rights Council, and that was Israel. The Council decided that the program for the first session should focus discussion on five issues; the first one being the “human rights situation in the occupied Arab Territories, including Palestine.” (The rest were “support for the Abuja Peace Agreement,” and three thematic subjects.) The Council placed criticism of Israel permanently on the agenda of all future sessions. It gave only the special investigator on Israel what amounted to a permanent mandate. On its final day, the Council passed just one resolution condemning human-rights violations by any of the 192 U.N. members, and directed it at Israel. When it was all over, the Council decided to hold its first special (emergency) session within a few days ” on Israel.
http://www.article.nationalreview.com
(I've entered a significant section of the article as I cannot get up a workable link.)

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 119 of 300 (336425)
07-29-2006 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by jar
07-29-2006 1:23 PM


Re: Evidence Hezbollah set up the UN post as a target
jar writes:
Israel has turned down a mediated ceasefire.
No. Israel turned down a mediated ceasefire offer for Hezbollah's need to regroup and resupply for additional expansionist hostilities against Israel. Israel wisely declined, knowing full well that it would only serve to Hezbollah's advantage.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 123 of 300 (336437)
07-29-2006 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Silent H
07-29-2006 5:34 AM


Re: Israel above the law
Holmes writes:
You didn't answer my questions. I think that is telling, don't you? There are international laws which govern (or are supposed to govern) the actions of NATIONS. Yes, terrorists do not as well as what are becoming referred to as "rogue nations". But legitimate nations are measured by their adherence to such laws.
My answer was that UN observers sat in southern quietly for years watching Hezbollah's massive arms/military buildup on Lebanon's southern border when in fact their own law/resolution 1559 required Hezbollah, being a political/ideological entity, to disarm. I also produced evidence of UN's serious pro-Islamic and anti Israel bias. When rogue nations violate by invasion and disregard to the rules, ligitimate nations must do what is needed to compensate or the rogue nations/terrorists win, expanding terrorism and tyranny into the legitimate nations who by those laws are disadvantaged. It's like you ban guns, the criminals end up armed leaving good citizens defenseless.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 124 of 300 (336442)
07-29-2006 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by jar
07-29-2006 6:48 PM


Re: On a Ceasefire
The fact is that no matter what the reason, it seriously hinder's Israel's objective and serves Hezbollah's desperate need to resupply and regroup. At the height of intense warfare no army can simply stop and let the enemy catch up. That's like at the Super Bowl, the winning team must allow the loosers to rest and recoup before proceeding.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 245 of 300 (337098)
07-31-2006 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by Omnivorous
07-31-2006 6:36 PM


Re: Never-ending violence
Omni writes:
How many Lebanese women and children stand between an unfettered Israel and peace? You believe Israel should just kill until they obtain an abject surrender? If that hasn't worked in Iraq--like it never worked in Vietnam--why do you think the slaughter of civilians can achieve peace in the Middle East?
Peace in the middle east will not achievable ever, humanly speaking. Why? because of the violent nature of Islam as practiced by Mohammed and his desciples and as practiced by the never ending hoard of Islamic fundamentalists now who do violence as Mohammed their prophet and his desciples did and taught. Only Armageddon and intervention of God himself by the 2nd advent of Jesus will end the violence. It will come at a huge price of human lives due to the deception ingrained in the Middle East fundamentalist nations.
The only thing the free world can do until then is to hold them at bay violently and at the cost of much life. The free world is between a rock and a hard place. If we do nothing, they advance to our nations even faster than they are presently advancing. If we fight, at least we slow down the advance of fundamentalist violent Islam. It is more dangerous than Communism was because it's fanatic followers are willing to die in order to terrorize their way into power in the nations. Communist fighters wore uniforms for the most part and were forced to fight by their governments. Islamic terrorists volunteer themselves to die in order to kill as many as possible to advance the fundamentals of Islam which includes the violence.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 248 of 300 (337101)
07-31-2006 11:46 PM


Re: Israel Doing The UN's Work
Israel is simply doing the work the UN was suppose to have been doing a long time ago and instead the UN ignored their own resolution/law concerning Hezbollah, i.e. Resolution 1559 which as to disarm Hezbollah. Now at this late date, major surgery is needed in Lebanon and Israel is doing it, not only for their own survival, but for the whole world. The world should be very grateful that there is a nation in the Middle East able and willing to do this nasty job. Instead the world, for the most part in ignorance is condemning Israel, when in stead they should be mad as hell at the UN secretary general who has a history of coddling Islamic extremists and fire his crooked worthless arss. THE UN NEEDS A THOROUGH HOUSECLEANING BAD.
In war things are suppose to get broken and people are suppose to be killed. Hezbollah terrorists choose to use innocent folks as human shields. By this, they expect to win and win they will if they are not hit. The innocent folks are not being murdered by Israel who must do what they have to do. They are being ruthlessly murdered by the terrorist who shoot from their bedrooms, likely forbidding them to leave. They want as many civilians killed as possible so as to make Israel look bad to the world and the world is swallowing the trick hook line and sinker.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 249 of 300 (337102)
07-31-2006 11:52 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by Faith
07-31-2006 11:32 PM


Re: Never-ending violence
Thanks Faith. At least they can't say we're anti-Semetic.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 299 of 300 (337319)
08-01-2006 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 280 by clpMINI
08-01-2006 10:41 AM


Re: I trust those sources.
clp writes:
If, while attempting to kill these MUDEROUS CRIMINALS, you inadvertently kill 60 or so innocent women and children, is it still a righteous act?
Is there an acceptable number of innocent people you can kill, as long as you were aiming at the bad guys?
LOL! If the US had stopped attacking Hitler's cities full of civilians as well as Japan who attacked us, you and I would not likely be here or if we were, we'd most assuredly be in a totally ruthless and tyrannical world.
ABE: ..........and The German and Japanese people would have not have been liberated from tyranny to become the prosperous and peaceful FREE nations they are today.
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

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